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 Re: |Ratios and gears
1119399 Post Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:29 pm Thank this member for this postReply with quote Back To Top

DrRoger Subscriber 10/09/2012 


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teemyob wrote:
Hello,

As mentioned, what type of body is not the issues.

It all depends on the chassis specifications.

For example what wheels, gearbox (all except the 6xx series were offered with 3 different gearboxes, the 6 Series two) axle and then - final drive.

The Mercedes Sprinter pre 2006 Sprinter:

3 Series mostly had 225/70/15 Tyres fitted along with matched Rear axle ratios. This gives lower revs per mile.

However, the 4 series and in particular the 416CDi Variant with the 5 Cylinder engine was usually fitted with much smaller Wheels and tyres (195/70/15'S). And fitted with matched axle drives. This leads to much higher revs per mile.

Result = The 416 can usually climb hills for fun!


See here for my posts

I no longer have the 416CDi

I now run two Euro IV >2006 Sprinters. A 518CDi Manual Sprinter and a 311CDi Auto

The 518 Revs around 2,400 at 70mph Speedo Reading
The 311 Revs around 2,900 at 70mph Speedo Reading

If you look at the Latest Euro V Sprinter, here is the Spec:

210/310CDi Standard Rear Axle Ratio is 4.364 in Manual or Auto
213/313CDi Standard Rear Axle Ratio is 4.182 as above

216/316CDi
219/319CDi Both have Standard Axle Ratio of 3.923 Manual or Auto.

You can specify different Final Drives for specific requirements when having your Sprinter built at the factory.

Hope this helps?

TM


Hi,
I'm fairly new to the forum & you can perhaps can provide an answer. Have ordered an A/S Devon for delivery next week. It has the Euro V 316 Cdi 163 engine.
I've 'graduated' from a Trooper on a VW 130bhp Trooper chassis & am used to cruising in France at 70mph doing 2000rpm.
From our fairly brief test drive I loved it BUT at 70 we were doing 3600-3700rpm at 70. The sales person pushed the auto-lever to the left to engage 'manual' where 'D' indicator changed to '4'!

It occurred to me that maybe we accelerated rapidly to 70 or changed dow to a manual 4th for rapid acceleration. BUT we ordered it & I ordered on the basis of 'smiles per mile' = great.

However, key question for peace of mind for my 'skinflint' is what are revs @ 70?
Thanks & apologies for being so thick about axle & gear ratios!
Roger
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1119423 Post Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:56 pm Thank this member for this postReply with quote Back To Top

teemyob Linked Subscriber 26/07/2012 


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DrRoger wrote:
teemyob wrote:
Hello,

As mentioned, what type of body is not the issues.

It all depends on the chassis specifications.

For example what wheels, gearbox (all except the 6xx series were offered with 3 different gearboxes, the 6 Series two) axle and then - final drive.

The Mercedes Sprinter pre 2006 Sprinter:

3 Series mostly had 225/70/15 Tyres fitted along with matched Rear axle ratios. This gives lower revs per mile.

However, the 4 series and in particular the 416CDi Variant with the 5 Cylinder engine was usually fitted with much smaller Wheels and tyres (195/70/15'S). And fitted with matched axle drives. This leads to much higher revs per mile.

Result = The 416 can usually climb hills for fun!


See here for my posts

I no longer have the 416CDi

I now run two Euro IV >2006 Sprinters. A 518CDi Manual Sprinter and a 311CDi Auto

The 518 Revs around 2,400 at 70mph Speedo Reading
The 311 Revs around 2,900 at 70mph Speedo Reading

If you look at the Latest Euro V Sprinter, here is the Spec:

210/310CDi Standard Rear Axle Ratio is 4.364 in Manual or Auto
213/313CDi Standard Rear Axle Ratio is 4.182 as above

216/316CDi
219/319CDi Both have Standard Axle Ratio of 3.923 Manual or Auto.

You can specify different Final Drives for specific requirements when having your Sprinter built at the factory.

Hope this helps?

TM


Hi,
I'm fairly new to the forum & you can perhaps can provide an answer. Have ordered an A/S Devon for delivery next week. It has the Euro V 316 Cdi 163 engine.
I've 'graduated' from a Trooper on a VW 130bhp Trooper chassis & am used to cruising in France at 70mph doing 2000rpm.
From our fairly brief test drive I loved it BUT at 70 we were doing 3600-3700rpm at 70. The sales person pushed the auto-lever to the left to engage 'manual' where 'D' indicator changed to '4'!

It occurred to me that maybe we accelerated rapidly to 70 or changed dow to a manual 4th for rapid acceleration. BUT we ordered it & I ordered on the basis of 'smiles per mile' = great.

However, key question for peace of mind for my 'skinflint' is what are revs @ 70?
Thanks & apologies for being so thick about axle & gear ratios!
Roger


I would think around 2,600

Make sure you have it in D mind!

TM
 
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Thanks a lot, you've answered the question that no-one at the dealers or Mercedes could answer! I'd resigned myself to cruising at 60 for economy. But now I hopefully can maintain my customary Trooper route nationale speeds without too much cost.
1.26 Euro per litres was best we got last time in France & we're doing selective shopping at Tesco's to save their 5p a litre coupons!
Thanks again,
Roger
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1119447 Post Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:30 pm Thank this member for this postReply with quote Back To Top

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I think the Ratios are the same on the 316's as they are on the 319's.

So lower revving than the other less powerful lower torque 4 cylinders that need higher revs for heavy loads.

TM
 
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'03 Sprinter based Autotrail with sprintshift gearbox GVW 4000 Kg,

I cruise around 55 mph which is about 2250 RPM (max torque from the engine is there as well) and I get just a fraction shy of 28mpg.

Bags of torque and very relaxed.

It never ceases to amaze me the number of MH owners who go everywhere at 65-70 mph.

The difference in fuel consumption between 55 and 70 is amazing !!! At 55 in mine the throttle pedal is about 5cm depressed, at 70 its near the boards !!!
 
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I`ve heard it all now, F1 motorhoming ,why all this need for hurry up????,we as a group are layed back ,relaxed,and fuzzy round the edges,no sweat,nice and easy does it all the time,zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Bill
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