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1087589 Post Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:56 pm Thank this member for this postReply with quote Back To Top

LittleGreyCat Subscriber 05/07/2012 


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LittleGreyCat wrote:
Quick update:

(1) Confirmed that neither Hymer has an ODB II port, so the ECU has to come out to be reprogrammed.

(2) Just had a call to say that the original chips in the ECU cannot be reprogrammed so new chips are on order and should arrive tomorrow a.m. - job to be finished by early afternoon.

(3) Confirmed that the turbo boost is controlled by the ECU in this model.

The two ECUs look identical - so they were marked up to make sure they went back in the same Hymer Smile

One Hymer is 2001 (Y) reg. and the other is 2002 (02) reg.
Both engines are the 2.8JTD.


Now all done.
The first test drive was encouraging and there seemed to be a lot more 'go' than before.
Coming up a slip road in fourth was particularly impressive.

Can't comment on increased MPG until after a long run, which won't be for a bit.
The other Hymer is off on its travels next week so that should be a good guide to any improvements.

We have been told that the ECU will take a couple of weeks to settle down as it learns the driving style and adapts.

One interesting thing we discovered; on a 'fly by wire' system the ECU can respond differently to a throttle being gently opened to full and someone flooring the throttle immediately.
Makes sense, but not something I had considered before, being used to cable throttles.
[Then again, did some carbs used to have a throttle pump which would chuck in extra fuel if your floored the accelerator? Long time ago, now...]

Will report back in a few weeks when we have more data.

Cheers

LGC
 
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little gray cat...

have you been able to test it on a motorway yet ?

I ve now done a 200 mile trip on country lanes and motorway with all passengers and everything full and the results are fully in!

on the motorway i cruised into a modest headwind at 70 and if pushed a little at times it felt like it would run away, but a wheel wobble made it comfier to ease off.......(it has stainless trims on that dont seem to fit centraly.)
country lanes, nippy is the word...and on one long very steep hill it just slipped below 40...


fuel consumption strangely hasnt changed at 25/26 and is not what i expected but am chuffed with...
 
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If you have just upped the maximum turbo boost then I would expect more performance at full throttle but no more MPG.

I think you need to modify the amount of fuel fed into the engine at a given throttle and turbo boost to improve MPG.

Cheers

LGC
 
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Now on a tour of Scotland, so MPG figures will be available in a while.

On the run up the MPG didn't seem to have improved much but then the MH wanted to cruise between 60 and 65 on the long motorway runs.

This is faster than it used to cruise - we used to cruise around 55.

Now off the motorways and doing country lanes and single track roads.

I think the MPG is a bit better but the fuel gauge is in fantasy land as usual so I will have to wait until the next fill up to check the figures.

There is certainly a lot more performance and general driveability has improved.

One conundrum - just because it will now pull hills in 5th gear (overdrive) is this the most efficient way to drive or is it better to change down?

Cheers

LGC
 
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2.8 JTD Power was launched in 2004
Main characteristics are, 146 BHP, 310 Nm torque.
Bigger turbo with variable geometer vanes
Bigger inter-cooler
A 'flat' torque curve from 1500 RPM to over 3,000.

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Tys Subscriber 22/08/2012 


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Hi,I have a 2000 544 2.8 i.d. TD,and the bhp is 122.
I have just had a mechanical tune,it is suggested it is now 145bhp.You can check,www.candmauto.co.uk,Mark is good

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Tys wrote:
Hi,I have a 2000 544 2.8 i.d. TD,and the bhp is 122.
I have just had a mechanical tune,it is suggested it is now 145bhp.You can check,www.candmauto.co.uk,Mark is good


How do you know the BHP? Has it been on a rolling road?

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Tys Subscriber 22/08/2012 


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I would,nt know,I take the word of the person who done it.Thats why i paid a professional.Got no reason not to.

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Tys: How does your MH feel after the 'tune'? Any change in MPG? What sort of price was the 'tune up'?
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Tys Subscriber 22/08/2012 


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Amazing difference not needing to change gear,so much,lower revs mpg must be better although i have not had a good check yet.I was having 24mpg before.The response thru all the gears is so different and hills are now a breeze.It cost £225,which i think is good.

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