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tonight is my leffe night! Might even get the guitar out!!!
Oh gawd Just try to keep it down, would you? I need to watch Big Brother tonight
I think inconsiderate people have no idea they're being inconsiderate. If anyone complains, it's the complainer that's being a grumpy old sod.
Isn't it all down to the invasion of personal space, be it in person, object or animal, or by noise? I always try to allow people the space to do what they want, without interference by us, and would hope people would do the same to me.
That's interesting Eddie, perhaps it would help to examine the meaning and function of consideration for others then.
I think I would be so bold as to suggest that if there was any persistent behaviour which inconveniences others because it is not the usual or normal behaviour which we might expect in a particular place it must by definition be inconsiderate.
Let's consider the parent in the restaurant. I think what is inconsiderate would depend very much on the type of restaurant and how the parent dealt with the screaming child. If it is a family restaurant which welcomes children then a crying child might be normal. If the child is screaming than that might be over the top and perhaps the parent should show consideration for others by taking the child outside and calming him/her down. I think we could judge the nature of the restaurant by looking at the clientele, reading the menu, noticing whether high chairs are provided etc. If I am in a stylish gourmet restaurant with an expensive and extensive menu which does not offer special dishes, high chairs or discounts for children then I would expect any children there to be well behaved and not to spoil my enjoyment. If there was a badly behaved or even persistently noisy child there I would regard the parents as inconsiderate. I would not regard a very young child as inconsiderate.
On a remote aire with just four vans where the occupants of two are noisy it might be a little less clear. I suggest that normal behaviour, that of the vast majority of aire users, is not to make noise which might prevent others from sleeping after 10.30 or 11pm. I therefore conclude that people making persistent noise later than that are being inconsiderate, to what degree would depend of the volume of the noise and the manner of it's making. Loud conversation being mildly inconsiderate and loud music and singing being more so.
Aires might vary like restaurants. If I was on an aire in a busy town with late opening bars and restaurants then I would not expect a very quiet night nor would I think the townsfolk inconsiderate in going about their normal business even if I could not sleep as a result.
I agree that perceptions may vary, within limits, but I also think that once those limits have been passed behaviour becomes inconsiderate and indefensible.
I will be interested to hear your thoughts on the detail, Alan.
An excellent well thought out post Alan, as most of your posts are. I am simply suggesting that in a cosmopolitan melting pot what you or I consider reasonable may not be the same for everyone.
I have stated on here before that when I am cycling I cannot understand the rude and boorish attitude to drivers, yet when I am driving I cannot tolerate cyclists wobbling all over the road.
When I am driving my camper I am sure that I let people out more and am generally more courteous than when I am driving my car. Make me a pedestrian and I cannot understand the attitude of any other road user.
I am sure that there have been times over the years when I have been sat outside, late, thinking that we are whispering almost in an attempt at being reasonable to others, only for them to be laying in bed fuming at the nosie we are making, but also trying to be reasonable and not complain lol
I would totally agree though that the position and the nature of the Aire has a bearing and would also agree that regardless of all else that I have written it would take a moron to continue making noise unabated into the wee small hours.
However, if a boisterous friendly group bundled up and piled out to sit at one of the benches (which is what they're for) to have a late night snack, and a glass of wine or two, and there was a noisy, but good natured hour or so of disturbance I wouldn't deliberately make a load of noise the following morning to prove that I could be a tw4t as well.
I think that you either confront the problem if it bothers you that much, or, if tired, roll over a go to sleep happy that being are enjoying themselves not fighting each other
I think that the funniest time I was asked to shut up was caused by Dr Who!
We wanted to stay on a site down in Dorset, and the site was packed, jam packed.
The site had a tent field and it was deserted due to being not very level, had no water, no electrics and no showers or loo's
As Olley has bubbled me We have a Minnie Winnie (only 30 foot) and our friends had a American RV as well.
None of the above problems caused us the slightest concern as we only wanted a couple of nights.
So two RV's at the furthest edge away from the main site, we took ourselves off to a little pub in the middle of nowhere for lunch.
There was a new series of Doctor Who on that My mate wanted to watch (and in secret so did I but he was getting the flak from the girls so I kept quiet )
Imagine when we got back to the site, two RV's both with two slideouts' out one side and awnings the other with a tent erected in the shade of the vans.
So a field of about 5 acres I would guess, this tosser has put hi tent up about three feet from the side of our mates van.
Live and let live and all of that, we laughed and as we walked over to our vans, I suggested that the owner could be lonely and we could offer him/her a beer.
There was no one to be seen and the tent zipped up tight.
So, a couple of hours later, sat around a table, bottle of wine chewing the cud the big moment arrives!
"And no one BBC1 the new series of Doctor Who" and within about thirty seconds of the music starting a head appears at the door of the van and said in no uncertain terms "It's bad enough that I have to sit and listen to your idiot chatter all afternoon, but I DO NOT come camping to listen to Doctor Who, turn it off NOW"
I wasn't sure who started to laugh first, but it certainly wasn't the reaction that our tenting buddy thought that he would get.
Frankly he got told exactly where he could go, and how we would help him get there, and that if he was stupid enough to pitch a tent in a five acre field close enough that we could reach out of a window and touch the thing, he would be the one moving if he wasn'y happy.
They walk among us!
The funny thing was that the wardens had told us that we could run gennies if we wanted so long as they were turned off at dusk so we could have been much noisier had we wanted to!
Eddie
I eventually stopped laughing this afternoon. Now I have just tried to read it to Mrs. TM and set off again.
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Just try to keep it down, would you? I need to watch Big Brother tonight 
Waving in memory of Peter and Fiona
Fighting with Mavisīs MESO WARRIORS 
We have a Minnie Winnie (only 30 foot) and our friends had a American RV as well.
