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1119707 Post Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:21 pm Thank this member for this postReply with quote Back To Top

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Thinking about a scooter, say 125cc.

Have a 2010 Rapido 776ff (Fiat chassis?) 3.5 ton. Had van weighed with all kit onboard, 2 persons, full fuel tank but empty water tank. Front axle 1,540 kgs, rear axle 1,640 kgs and all up weight 3,200 kgs.

Do you think I'm in the ballpark to start talking to towbar/carrier manufacturers. I'd rather not have the complications of a trailer unless I have to - what do you think?

David
 
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DTPCHEMICALS Subscriber 31/07/2012 


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Lucky on your payload, my Autotrail is 3400 without much kit or food aboard.
I do tow a bigger bike than a 125 on a trailer

If I were to renew my trailer i would look at one of these.

http://www.armitagetrailers.com/biketrailers.htm

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Carl_n_Flo Subscriber 16/05/2013 


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My only concern with these trailers is their small wheels......and their effect on the wheel bearings.

Think about it - those little wheels are turning twice (?) as fast as your van wheels (if not more?) for hundereds of miles at a stretch. What impact will that have on the grease in the bearings. Will they get overly hot, cook and then sieze????

Am I worrying unneccessarily????

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brandywine Subscriber 24/10/2012 


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Your gross weight should be OK for a rack but how much spare have you on the rear axle.

Our 50cc scooter weighs 80kg but with the overhang puts 200kg on back axle.

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Hi Brandywine - I have 360 kgs spare on the back axle.
 
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A tow bar and scooter rack weighs around 85kgs and a 125cc scooter about 125kgs. Thus you are in the right ballpark. There is an informative site here

http://www.pwsacc.co.uk/#

for racks and towbars and the motorcaravans FAQ at the bottom of the page is helpful. There are also plenty of photographs of towbars and racks for all motorhome types.
 
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wobby Subscriber 07/01/2013 


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A good friend of mine is looking to sell a hydraulic scooter rack that fits on the tow ball. You just roll the scooter onto it and then pump the lever and the scooter is lifted up into the travel position. I think he wants £250 for it so if your interested I can put you in touch.

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Take care with the effect of the overhang combined with the additional weight, it can overload the rear axle (and sometimes underload the front axle) even if the actual weights seem to add up okay. The mathematics involved with this can get complicated, there are some basic online calculators that make a fair estimation.

Also, consider if you really want your rear axle, suspension and tyres running near or at max load. Some people might point out the differences between being legal (which you may well be) and safe (which you may not be) with all that weight hung out the back.

Trailers might seem like a better option for weight reasons, but they are a bit of a pain to handle, and short coupled trailers can be virtually impossible to reverse. They also affect speed limits and 3rd lane usage.

There are non-articulating trailer options which use castor wheels, which combine some of the conveniences of a bolt-on rack with some of the disadvantages of a separate trailer.

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barryd Linked Subscriber 25/05/2012 


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If you can do it then go for it. Having a scooter completely transforms motorhoming. Sounds like you have a good bit left on the back. If you google practical motorhome scooter rack there is a calculator there.

The overhang as mentioned is the killer. Our kontiki has a shorter overhang than most long vans but the rack and scooter although only 150kg in total actually add over 200kg taking us just under.

I compensate the weight on the back by storing stuff in the Luton such as a folding mountain bike and inflatable boat as well as beer an stuff when I'm allowed some.

Armitage trailers did our rack which fitted into the chassis. I've yet to see one that's as quick to get off or on, especially garages bikes. Would recommend them.

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PhilK Subscriber 08/06/2013 


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Have a look at www.ezetow.co.uk, the trailer they sell looks great. We have a scooter rack but use it for bikes, if we buy a 300 Honda I may get one of these.

Phil
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