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The BBC have today announced changes to their satellite transmissions. This will affect users of Sky, freesat and FTA receivers.
The announcement is attached.
Gerry
and there was I thinking it was all to do with the introduction of the new satellite at 28E until I read the bottom few lines
Neverthe less it must also be imminent and hopefully we will then get a few more services on Freesat.
peedee
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The key hting here is that you need a BBC channel to access the BBC Sports streams.
So if you currently access the BBC sports stream on a Sky box using the BBC News, Red Button 3001 trick, then you may no longer do this, as you will no longer have access to a BBC channel to launch the Red button application.
If you are in areas where you can receive BBC1 and 2, no porblems, press red and away you go, but if you are in an area where NBNC1,2 reception is bad, then you will struggle, unless you get a "non sky or nonfreesat" box and access the streams directly...
peedee wrote:
and there was I thinking it was all to do with the introduction of the new satellite at 28E until I read the bottom few lines
Neverthe less it must also be imminent and hopefully we will then get a few more services on Freesat.
Astra 1 n is still being tested, and it will not be handed over until mid october they say.
Then you can expect a few more channels to jopin freesat, may be the "fives", and maybe a few more HD channels from Channel 4, like Film4HD...but it is all speculation ATM.
The BBC have today announced changes to their satellite transmissions. This will affect users of Sky, freesat and FTA receivers.
The announcement is attached.
Gerry
Gerry we are away and I was just going to post this when I read the above post
Can anyone pls advise what may be the problem
We are currently at Leucate Plage and yesterday at Narbonne Plage. Now for 5 years we have always got BBC 1 and 2 without problems but since yesterday we can only get ITV and Channel 5 (the latter we couldn't get!)
Has the footprint changed since last October? Because nothing has here
Advice sought pls and thanks in advance
Carol
Now I assume this is our problem
We have Camos and Camos saltbox and pace sky box with card
I have tried switching it off and on and also tried the astra south sat - thinking that could be problem. So my question now is what cani do - anything from here?
Tks as usual.
Carol
______________________________________________________________ Carol
Thinking of Peter and Fiona and Fighting with Mavis and Ray and also Paul (Otto)
Carol,
It would seem that you have been affected by the changes shown in the document. The date for the changes to start was yesterday so that would fit with your experience.
The problem that you now have is that your Camos Sat receiver will require tuning manually as it is not designed to automatically update the channel list. Also, I am not certain, but believe that the same is true of a Sky box that is not connected to a UK telephone line.
Gerry
We are currently at Leucate Plage and yesterday at Narbonne Plage. Now for 5 years we have always got BBC 1 and 2 without problems but since yesterday we can only get ITV and Channel 5 (the latter we couldn't get!)
Has the footprint changed since last October? Because nothing has here
GerryD wrote:
It would seem that you have been affected by the changes shown in the document. The date for the changes to start was yesterday so that would fit with your experience.
There are NO changes happening this week to BBC1 or BBC2. The last changes to BBC1 and BBC2 were October 2010, in preparation for BBC1HD going live.
No footprints for UK satellite TV have changed for a long time. The footprint on the 4 satellites (there are a total of 8 beams accross the 4 satellites) have been the same and fixed well before the satellites were launched.
Only a handful of TV satellites have a "movable beam". The last time reception footprints for UK TV were changed was about 5 years ago when Astra 2c, which only has channel Five on it, was moved to another location.
Although reception of channels may change soon, as "Astra 1N" has completed testing and is moving into position...expected at 28 mid october...
The changes by the BBC happening this September 2011 (ie from tomorrow) , if you read the document, only affect BBC News, Alba and Parlaiment, and then next week the Sport / interactive streams.
The first part of the change, when BBC News, Alba and Parlaiment move from their current satellite to Astra 2d, will happen tomorrow (22nd). (BBC News is already on its new frequency, under a "dummy" channel name, and just waiting for it final mapping to take place!)
Then the sports streams, staying on the same satellite, move from frequency 12441v to 11954h, on the 29th.
So the BBC can save money (or give more to the Gvmt for things the Gvmt / private cos / telecos should provide instead of hiving it off the taxpayer - why should the lisence fee be used to help expand broadband in the Uk - cant BT use some of its billions of profit for that instead of skimping it from the taxpayers?????), by having only 6 transponders/ frequencies, rather than 7, and saving approx £20m a year.
Any problems you will be having with BBC1 and BBC2 reception are totally seperate to the changes happening this week, and purely coincidental.
And are probably down to dish alignment or line of sight being obscured or LNB failure or poor cabling - and the most common is dish alignment.
If you can get ITV2,3,4, or any of the free to air ITV1 regions, then you should have no problems with getting BBC1 and BBC2. They are on the same satellite and similar frequencies. So if you cannot get ITV2,3,4 thn it is not just a BBC problem you are having, buut an ASta 2d reception problems - again no changes to ITV2,3,4 are being made this week either, and changes to BBC News, Alba and PArkliamant will not affect ITV2,3,4 reception!
If the ITV1 region and Five region you are getting is one of the "free to view" sky card versions, then yes you will get that, as they (currently) are on a more "expat friendly" satellite and frequency.
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The problem that you now have is that your Camos Sat receiver will require tuning manually as it is not designed to automatically update the channel list. Also, I am not certain, but believe that the same is true of a Sky box that is not connected to a UK telephone line.
Sky boxes, and freesat boxes, update automatically via the satellite.
This is what the Sky and Freesat software is designed to do - look at the data / channel tables on the satellites, and update receiver tables when required.
"Generic" receivers, like your camos, do not automatically update their channel lists, as there is no "software" on them to allow them to do this automatcially when the data changes onthe satellites.
Only callbacks to Sky and buying online (box office, voting, qvc etc) are done via phone line, as the Sky and Freesat boxes are only one way not two.
The Sky box only have a 56k modem in them and would block up the phone line for a long time if software and channel updates were done via them!
We are currently at Leucate Plage and yesterday at Narbonne Plage. Now for 5 years we have always got BBC 1 and 2 without problems but since yesterday we can only get ITV and Channel 5 (the latter we couldn't get!)
Has the footprint changed since last October? Because nothing has here
GerryD wrote:
It would seem that you have been affected by the changes shown in the document. The date for the changes to start was yesterday so that would fit with your experience.
There are NO changes happening this week to BBC1 or BBC2. The last changes to BBC1 and BBC2 were October 2010, in preparation for BBC1HD going live.
No footprints for UK satellite TV have changed for a long time. The footprint on the 4 satellites (there are a total of 8 beams accross the 4 satellites) have been the same and fixed well before the satellites were launched.
Only a handful of TV satellites have a "movable beam". The last time reception footprints for UK TV were changed was about 5 years ago when Astra 2c, which only has channel Five on it, was moved to another location.
Although reception of channels may change soon, as "Astra 1N" has completed testing and is moving into position...expected at 28 mid october...
The changes by the BBC happening this September 2011 (ie from tomorrow) , if you read the document, only affect BBC News, Alba and Parlaiment, and then next week the Sport / interactive streams.
The first part of the change, when BBC News, Alba and Parlaiment move from their current satellite to Astra 2d, will happen tomorrow (22nd). (BBC News is already on its new frequency, under a "dummy" channel name, and just waiting for it final mapping to take place!)
Then the sports streams, staying on the same satellite, move from frequency 12441v to 11954h, on the 29th.
So the BBC can save money (or give more to the Gvmt for things the Gvmt / private cos / telecos should provide instead of hiving it off the taxpayer - why should the lisence fee be used to help expand broadband in the Uk - cant BT use some of its billions of profit for that instead of skimping it from the taxpayers?????), by having only 6 transponders/ frequencies, rather than 7, and saving approx £20m a year.
Any problems you will be having with BBC1 and BBC2 reception are totally seperate to the changes happening this week, and purely coincidental.
And are probably down to dish alignment or line of sight being obscured or LNB failure or poor cabling - and the most common is dish alignment.
If you can get ITV2,3,4, or any of the free to air ITV1 regions, then you should have no problems with getting BBC1 and BBC2. They are on the same satellite and similar frequencies. So if you cannot get ITV2,3,4 thn it is not just a BBC problem you are having, buut an ASta 2d reception problems - again no changes to ITV2,3,4 are being made this week either, and changes to BBC News, Alba and PArkliamant will not affect ITV2,3,4 reception!
If the ITV1 region and Five region you are getting is one of the "free to view" sky card versions, then yes you will get that, as they (currently) are on a more "expat friendly" satellite and frequency.
Quote:
The problem that you now have is that your Camos Sat receiver will require tuning manually as it is not designed to automatically update the channel list. Also, I am not certain, but believe that the same is true of a Sky box that is not connected to a UK telephone line.
Sky boxes, and freesat boxes, update automatically via the satellite.
This is what the Sky and Freesat software is designed to do - look at the data / channel tables on the satellites, and update receiver tables when required.
"Generic" receivers, like your camos, do not automatically update their channel lists, as there is no "software" on them to allow them to do this automatcially when the data changes onthe satellites.
Only callbacks to Sky and buying online (box office, voting, qvc etc) are done via phone line, as the Sky and Freesat boxes are only one way not two.
The Sky box only have a 56k modem in them and would block up the phone line for a long time if software and channel updates were done via them!
Thanks for your input, don't do Sky or satellite outside the UK. Have enough trouble with Terrestrial and new products.
I just post the information sheet that I am sent by DTG, BBC and Digital UK.
Gerry
Well whatever prob. Line of sight is excellent wiring not changed etc. But after twice unplugging all equipment etc first was ok even saw 5 but BBC 1/2 were still bad. Then no sound on anything. 3rd time lucky but no 5 again
Is it poss to put that inon other channels under services as we had done for ITV WEST AND SOUTH WEST?
Tks for help
Carol
______________________________________________________________ Carol
Thinking of Peter and Fiona and Fighting with Mavis and Ray and also Paul (Otto)
Well whatever prob. Line of sight is excellent wiring not changed etc. But after twice unplugging all equipment etc first was ok even saw 5 but BBC 1/2 were still bad. Then no sound on anything. 3rd time lucky but no 5 again
Is it poss to put that inon other channels under services as we had done for ITV WEST AND SOUTH WEST?
Tks for help
Carol
ALL BBC1/2 regions are already available on the Sky guide - from channel 970 upwards i think - so no need to add them.
You should be able to add the "free to view" sky card versions of Five - scan freq 12422 h 27.5 2/3 - to other channels - and if you have a sky card, then watch them via other channels.
If you do not have a sky card, then you are stuck with the poor reception of the free to air version.
If you used to get BBC1/2 / FTA Five OK before, and do not now, then it sounds like your dish is not aligned as well as it used to be.
If you get BBC1/2/Five almost OK in the morning, then that is when those signals are "strongest" and best for expats / med viewing, and as the day progresses reception in those areas starts to drop, to the worst time for Astra 2d reception at midnight. So reception of ythose channels drops off.
(the free to air (nonskyc ard) version of Five is on the same freq as BBC2 England
So maybe a small adjustment to the dish alignment may bring them back.
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