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Dougaitken wrote:
Hi SueandRoger Here is the info from the Tomtom site of hoe to remove Speed cameras from your unit. Doug


Thanks Doug

I have connected my 700 up to TT Home as per the relevant instructions and it does not show that I have any speed cameras on my device for some reason and they are not shown under POI's either; I certainly get the warnings when I approach a camera. I think my device is probably too old as the link does not show the GO 700 on the list. I think I will email TT and ask them how I erase them. Thanks anyway for the response.

Dare I say that my chum also mentioned the need to carry a breathaliser kit; anyone got the true info on that?

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Roger
Good to meet up again after so long.

I have carried out some more digging today, if only to be sure I was not going mad and that I had heard the news correctly

Here is a resume of what I have unearthed from many sources.

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Tougher Road Traffic Laws in France

A decree containing a number of miscellaneous provisions affecting French road traffic law have been published this week bringing into force a series of tougher measures applying to drivers on French roads.

• End of the road for radar warning devices

Equipment which detects a radar signal has always been banned in France but the new laws take matters a step further by banning ‘driver aids’ which incorporate data giving a warning of where speed cameras are located. Arguably, this information is already in the public domain with Michelin maps, for example, posting details of fixed radar positions but in the face of opposition both from motorists’ organisations and satnav manufacturers, the French government has decided to press ahead with this measure.
Already, some manufacturers of satnav equipment have taken the lead by stopping the inclusion of data on speed traps in new equipment but, for users of existing equipment, compliance with the new law will depend on whether they bother to connect up with a manufacturer’s website for a software update to remove what will become the prohibited software. For the police, enforcing the new law will not be an easy task particularly as many vehicles now come with embedded software systems which the non-technologically inclined driver may find difficult to disengage.

Nonetheless, the penalty for the new offence is steep – a fine of up to 1500 € and the loss of up to 6 points on a driver’s licence.

• Using a telephone while driving – fine increased

Up till now, the fine for using a mobile whilst driving in France had been set at what had almost become a nominal 35 € and loss of 2 points on a French licence. From this week, the penalty for using a mobile phone whilst driving in France will go up to 135 € with the loss of 3 points.

• Watch a movie while driving

There have been sporadic reports from police in the South of France that lorry drivers, particularly foreign ones, watching movies whilst driving had become a particular concern. Drivers caught watching a movie whilst at the wheel will now face a fine of 1500 €, instead of the present tariff of 135 €. In addition, either 2 or 3 points will be deducted from a driver’s licence and any audio-visual equipment used will be confiscated.

• Straying on to the hard shoulder on autoroutes

The principal cause of drivers straying on to the hard shoulder is driver fatigue and up till now, straying temporarily into the emergency lane on autoroutes in France was not an offence. Under pressure from autoroute companies anxious for the safety of their workforces, the French government has introduced a new offence, effectively of clipping the hard shoulder, for which the penalty will be 135 €. Also, the existing fine for driving on the hard shoulder on French autoroutes increases from 35 € to 135 €.

• New laws for motorcyclists on French roads (not sure this going to fly - a lot of upset from the motorcyclists)

The decree also covers the requirement for motorcyclists riding a motor-bike with an engine capacity exceeding 125 c.c. to wear a reflective garment. The French Department of Transport has still to define the criteria for reflective garments and the measure compelling motor-cyclists on French roads to wear something hi-viz will not come into effect before 1st January 2013. In the case of non-compliance, the offender would be liable to a fine of 68 € with a 2 point licence deduction.

There is also an alteration to the law concerning non-conforming number plates which applies to all road-users but especially bikers. The penalty for driving with a non-conforming plate increases from 68 € to 135 €. The Ministry of Transport will also introduce a new regulation concerning the size of registration plates carried by motor-bikes with the aim of making motor bikes more identifiable, especially if flashed by a speed camera.

• Alcolock ( stop the car /van moving if you have had too much booze)

Local authorities have already begun to introduce on-board driver’s breath testing equipment on French school buses and as we reported earlier on 1st December 2011 ‘France heads towards mandatory in-car breathalysers’, such equipment will become mandatory in all vehicles.

• Magistrates to have direct access to French National Drivers’ Database

This procedural measure should allow magistrates to better dispose of road traffic cases coming before them. Up till now, a magistrate had to make individual application for a driver’s previous convictions and points deducted history. Sometimes, if the necessary information was not forthcoming timeously, the offender could face a lesser penalty than would otherwise have been the case. Under the new procedure, magistrates should, in theory, have a driver’s history and previous convictions ‘at their fingertips’.

Word of caution.

It appears that the upcoming elections may derail/ amend the new laws.
The law on Satnavs is further confused by the way the rules are written and refers to " a screen" in the drivers view.

As Nelson said saliors always chase the horizon

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spykal wrote:
That must be why Katherine Jenkins burst into tears at her concert the night before....she had bought a new TomTom and was going to use it in France..... I just knew it was nothing to do with her split from her boyfriend Laughing


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Hi

5 minutes ago the Auchan online shop had 64 items avilable under gps for the car

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Breatherlisers are promised here in France but no law has yet been passed to require it. That is yet to come.
 
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ThursdaysChild wrote:
Does anyone know what are Garmin doing about it ?


A friend informs me that he telephoned Garmin to confirm the situation outlined in the thread "What are the French Up to Now" and that they are taking steps similar to that of TomTom France which I summarised on the same thread. So the best information is that GPS are legal but that Speed Cameras (in French "Radars" databases) are illegal and should be disabled or removed.

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The new law on carrying an "alcootest" has not yet had a date set for introduction - the date of 1 April 2012 has been mooted but is not certain. I've blogged the full details of the law changes but can't post you a link. If you search for "New Laws in France for Drivers and Motorcyclists in 2012" on Google you should find it.

The alcootest law seems pointless to me, but there you go - this is France!

Hope that helps.

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SNandJA wrote:
So the best information is that GPS are legal but that Speed Cameras (in French "Radars" databases) are illegal and should be disabled or removed.
Steve


This is what the Caravan Club is advising.

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Steve wrote:
So the best information is that GPS are legal but that Speed Cameras (in French "Radars" databases) are illegal and should be disabled or removed.

Steve


There is a slight anomaly, however. Databases which are not speed camera specific, but instead warn of "danger zones" and "accident hotspots" are allowed. Many of these will obviously coincide with speed camera locations. The manufacturers of GPS devices have agreed with the govt. that if they produce such databases then they will not be solely POIs for speed cameras - but there is nothing to stop them, and independent compilers of POIs, including dangerous locations that happen to have radars. Wink
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