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In spite of the confusion* about Air Ambulance I think it looks like Cancer Research has won. My choice would be to go with that.
* It seemed to me in the original proposal for Air Ambulance that it was unclear whether a local or national charity was intended, this was one reason why I wouldn't have voted for it.
I forgot to vote (so perhaps that tells me which I should have voted for )
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To assist nuke in deciding what to do about the Air Ambulance confusion I sent an e-mail to the Association of Air Ambulances. I have now had a reply so he has asked me to post the information for everyone to see:
I represent a National online Motorhomeclub, we adopt a charity each year for which we normally raise about £3000 via "Just Giving".
We are at the moment voting on the charity for 2012 and Air Ambulance is one of the final three. However we are getting a few queries regarding whether money raised for the Air Ambulance Association would be divided equally between the various regions or used for some other purpose? As we have members all over the country and indeed abroad we really need a national charity. Can you clarify the position for me.
Regards
Jenny
I have now received this reply:
Dear Jenny,
Many thanks for the e-mail and for wanting to support the Air Ambulances. From the outset I have to advise you that the Association of Air Ambulances (AAA) is not a registered charity in its own right. We are the 'umbrella' organisation that represents all the Air Ambulances (and associated Ambulance Services that actually task the helicopters after a 999 call) in England and Wales. We are a member organisation only, although all the 18 Air Ambulance charities are fully registered with the Charity Commission on an individual basis. (Please note that in Scotland the Air Ambulance Service is fully funded by the Scottish Parliament and is not charity driven at all). Consequently, we are not a national charity, but an organisation that has 18 registered charities within its membership. I hope that makes some sort of sense to you! We do receive quite a few donations from the general public to the AAA and any money received in this way is either shared amongst the 18 charities, or used for joint agreed purposes to support all the charity members. Obviously, as we are not a charity, we cannot then claim for Gift Aid.
I realise that the above may well influence your decision as to whether to support us, or not. I can assure you that all the Air Ambulances would be delighted to have some support from your organisation, but if the absence of AAA charity status is a problem, then perhaps you could consider supporting selected Air Ambulance charities on an individual basis? Or perhaps this then gets too complicated. Please let me know what you decide and If I can offer any help I will be pleased to do so.
Kind regards,
Peter Aldrick
Association of Air Ambulances
As it hasn't won the poll I suppose it is irrelevant, but as it isn't a registered National Charity thus making it eligble for "Gift Aid" it wouldn't really have been suitable as the MHF charity for 2012 anyway.
Jenny - thank you for clarifying the position, is it perhaps possible for those that voted for Air Ambulance to cast their vote to either of the others left? That may influence the final decision, (not looked at the poll figures before typing, so it may be irrelevant...)
Thanks for that clarification Jenny, it certainly confirms what I understood about the "umbrella organisation", I would agree that due to the lack of charitable status that would disqualify it from being the recipient for MHF attention.
The question that now needs to be tackled, by Nuke of course, is that 40 people have voted for the AA as their chosen charity, if they had NOT voted for the AA their votes could have swung the final totals significantly.
It would not be correct to simply ignore their votes - particularly as they have taken the time to vote, neither can those votes be reassigned easily to either of the other two charities.
So, is Nuke going to seek a clarification as to how those 40 would have voted?
Or is the vote going to have to be rerun since it might have turned out differently?
Of course, having a rerun delays still further the adoption of a chosen charity - which is not good news......
i cant really go into database and extract each persons username who voted and figure out what they voted and then email each one separately to find out what they would have voted for instead.
So as time is pressing I think we should go with Cancer Research UK as we are now end of January otherwise we will still be having votes and discussion on the charity in 2013
Thanks nuke for making the final decision, totally agree we should go with Cancer Research UK it's far too late to start having a re-vote.
How soon can you get the new "Just Giving" page open and last years page closed?
We did brilliantly last year for Mesothelioma, it was helped a lot by Mavis's hard work, so thanks Mavis for putting so much into it. I hope all goes well for you especially during the next few months of treatment.
We now need to concentrate on this years charity, we are a month behind starting it so we need extra effort from everyone to get it going.
I have no doubt funds will be raised on rallies during the coming year but don't let that stop anyone from donating straight to "Just Giving" as soon as nuke has it up and running, especially if you aren't planning on joining us on a rally
i cant really go into database and extract each persons username who voted and figure out what they voted and then email each one separately to find out what they would have voted for instead.
So as time is pressing I think we should go with Cancer Research UK as we are now end of January otherwise we will still be having votes and discussion on the charity in 2013
Hi Dave
When will you sort out the home page "Just Giving" bit.
George
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I hope all goes well for you especially during the next few months of treatment.
