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Thank you to apples127 for your interest in this subject, you have obviously NOT READ the information that is supplied with the adaptor.
The supplied information includes a complex calculation as to how much gas to add depending on how full the cylinder is at the time.
I am sorry if you consider me ignorant and uninformed (I believe that the English word used normally is ill-informed).
I have only had extensive international experience of dealing with the refilling of pressure vessels for high pressure systems for the past 42 years, so would obviously fit that description.
I am surprised that you have experience of such things in Spain, may be the laws are different there from elsewhere in the EC about competence and public safety.
Sadly, you only have one remaining post before you subscribe, but 4 posts in four years does not engender much understanding of the way that MHF functions.
I take apples point about it being possible to do it if one was fairly competent and can add up and take away etc but it only takes a small percentage of the people who but this thing to not do it correctly and theres an accident.
The baynet and other types of fitting used at petrol stations to fill up cars and vans running on LPG are designed so that if you dont connect things up right it will not work.
No so with this bit of kit
You could fail to tighten the taper fitting onto the bottle properly for a start and then as you start to fill gas escapes. If the bottle is inside the van then theres a bit of trouble.
Anyway I will always advise against buying these to anyone who askes me.
Phill
______________________________________________________________ Just when i found out my dad was right I had a son that thought I was wrong.....Henry winkler.
I can't wait for the day when one of the gas bottling companies finds someone refilling a non-refillable cylinder and sues their arse off for breaking the terms of the rental agreement, meanwhile reporting them for breaches of H&S legislation and bringing a whole shower of crap down on their heads.
I wonder if it could be argued that as there is no lawful reason for a member of the public to have one of these adapters then retailing them is also unlawful? Alan.
. . . reporting them for breaches of H&S legislation and bringing a whole shower of crap down on their heads. Alan.
Whose heads Alan???
I think if (when) that happens quite a lot of the crap will hit our fans as well. There will be an immediate knee-jerk reaction against Gaslow, Alugas and any other perfectly legal refillable system.
True Dave. It could have unwanted consequences. On the other hand it might highlight the difference and show that refilling refillables is legal and safe.
The scenario I have in mind is a Calor (or other bottling company) manager being in a filling station and seeing someone filling one of their bottles. The filling station need not be involved.
Anyone who has ever fallen foul of a British Oxygen agreement will know what I mean, Alan.
. . . reporting them for breaches of H&S legislation and bringing a whole shower of crap down on their heads. Alan.
Whose heads Alan???
I think if (when) that happens quite a lot of the crap will hit our fans as well. There will be an immediate knee-jerk reaction against Gaslow, Alugas and any other perfectly legal refillable system.
You can just imagine it can't you!
Dave
Total agreement from me on that point, I am sure we can all remember the l o n g threads about reported problems filling LPG systems in some French garages - that went on for pages and obviously caused a great dela of concern to MANY people on here....
Sadly, it only takes one such adverse report and the mud will hit the wall and we will all find ourselves covered in it.........
If you search Youtube for Motorhome fires there are lots of examples of such things, many US based true but US based RV's also have refillable LPG tanks so once the problem is reported we will all be hit by a reaction.
I can understand that in competent hands such processes can be carried out safely, BUT sadly many people who think themselves competent are not but are unaware of their own incompetence and even more sadly, unwilling to seek advice or training......
Presumably the people who do this for a living for e.g. Calor have received extensive training to cover all eventualities. That cannot be done with a leaflet and no check on understanding or application of theory to practice or what to do if/when something goes awry.
"Theory without practice is boring, practice without theory is dangerous...." might be an apt reminder for many people venturing along that sort of route.
In reply to nobody in particular, probably best not to wish the wrath of the Calor Rental (sic) Agreement upon the DIY refillers (which don't include me by the way):
'Cylinders.. ..may not be sold, exchanged (other than for the Purpose of this agreement), hired, assigned, transferred, mortgaged, lent, abandoned, nor damaged, defaced, decanted, filled or tampered with.'
A quick scan of the Classifieds on this site shows plenty of bottle selling/transferring going on and includes poster(s) on this very thread. Careful now up on those high horses!
could this product be used as a filler point for the refillable bottles, instead of the hose, for those who like me have no way to fit an external filling point.would take less room than a coiled stainless steel hose and connecter.It would still mean we would have to open the locker to do this though.I believe the safefill bottle is similar to this.
But I certainly would not recomend this item for refilling ordinary gas bottles.
If wishing that people who break rental agreements and endanger us by breaching Health and Safety regulations would not do so is being on a high horse then I am guilty.
As to selling cylinders, it may be a breach of the rental agreement but I can't see that it is dangerous and I have made no objection to people doing that.
I already agreed with Zebedee that my wish may have been a bit foolish as it might bring unintended consequences.
Of course, like KooKoo I aim this reply at no-one in particular, Alan.
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