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as already said, tyres last about 5 years, look for wear and cracking on the sidewalls.
rotation is front to back, but do it diag. so the outside rear goes to the inside front.etc.This is a throw back to the old days.
These days it is common for the front tyres to need replacing before the back ones, this does help to spread the cost.
as to which tyres you need, 215/70/15. minimun of 90 load rating.depending on the vehicle weight.
prices will range from about £90 to £130.each.

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cabby wrote:
as already said, tyres last about 5 years, look for wear and cracking on the sidewalls.
rotation is front to back, but do it diag. so the outside rear goes to the inside front.etc.This is a throw back to the old days.
These days it is common for the front tyres to need replacing before the back ones, this does help to spread the cost.
as to which tyres you need, 215/70/15. minimun of 90 load rating.depending on the vehicle weight.
prices will range from about £90 to £130.each.

cabby


"rotation is front to back, but do it diag. so the outside rear goes to the inside front."

Beware of this!

Tyres and Treads

Tyres that are marked with a rotation, means rear offside must be rotated to front offside.

"These days it is common for the front tyres to need replacing before the back ones"

This is common on FWD (front wheel drive vehicles).

On RWD vehicles, the opposite can apply.

But on heavily ladend RWD vehicles. In particular twin rear wheels on a single axle. Tyres on the rear can wear equally with the front.

A lot depends on the driver, chassis, use and load.

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thank you TM for that,it just shows how out of date one can be, what would we do without MHF.would you believe I used to work for them AA.but that was a lifetime away. Laughing

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rogerblack wrote:
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If you want good grip on grass go for winter tyres I havent been stuck since fitting them, I have toyo H09

joe


Seconded!


When searching for Toyo HO9 215X75XR16 C all I come up with is Toyo HO8 tyres, what's the difference between the two.

I'm looking to change mine in a couple of weeks, and I admit I am starting to get a bad head trying to choose with what.

Charlie
 
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H09's are 'winter' tyres and H08, which I have, are 'Summer' tyres


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Hi, Please be aware there is a significant difference between tyres marked with C as opposed to CP.

CP Tyres is designed for motorhomes which are running near their maximum weight whilst C tyres are not!

I have just witnessed a motorhome having to have its rear tyres changed because the side walls were collapsing. This was due to the tyres being C and not CP. The tyres were only 18 months old.
I think the CP marking is relatively new and prevents flat spots due to more steel in the tyre.
 
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Chascass wrote:
rogerblack wrote:
joedenise wrote:
If you want good grip on grass go for winter tyres I havent been stuck since fitting them, I have toyo H09

joe


Seconded!


When searching for Toyo HO9 215X75XR16 C all I come up with is Toyo HO8 tyres, what's the difference between the two.

I'm looking to change mine in a couple of weeks, and I admit I am starting to get a bad head trying to choose with what.

Charlie


As richardjames has already advised, the H09s are the winter ones. Unfortunately at this time of year they become rare and/or expensive. Blackcircles don't seem to have them in your size, however mytyres do:

http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=21902504.110.10758&typ=D-102513&ranzahl=4&Breite=215&Quer=75&Felge=16&weiter=0&kategorie=6&Ang_pro_Seite=20&Transport=T&dsco=110&sowigan=Wi

but they're £131 a piece - not sure how that compares for your size tyres. 195/70/R15 H09s were £61 ish from both blackcircles and mytyres when I bought mine.

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Philippft wrote:
Hi, Please be aware there is a significant difference between tyres marked with C as opposed to CP.

CP Tyres is designed for motorhomes which are running near their maximum weight whilst C tyres are not!

I have just witnessed a motorhome having to have its rear tyres changed because the side walls were collapsing. This was due to the tyres being C and not CP. The tyres were only 18 months old.
I think the CP marking is relatively new and prevents flat spots due to more steel in the tyre.


Yes they are different and one of the biggest differences is in price. That and of course the way they are marketed. Big money spinner.

You said....

"I have just witnessed a motorhome having to have its rear tyres changed because the side walls were collapsing. This was due to the tyres being C and not CP. The tyres were only 18 months old"

What make were the tyres with collapsing sidewalls?
What was the LI rating of the Tyre?
What is the Max Axle weigh of the Motorhome?
What was the Manufacturers Date on the tyres?
More importantly, had the vehicle been stood for long?

No, the CP marking is not new.

Motorhomes DO NOT NEED to have CP or camper tyres fitted. Even if fully loaded to within manufacturers specs. Quality, standard commercial tyres are perfectly safe. Providing you have the correct tyres with as specified by the Manufacturer.

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Hi

I re-checked my tyres in the light they are 215/70/R15 CP

I should use my glasses more Laughing

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What make were the tyres with collapsing sidewalls?
What was the LI rating of the Tyre?
What is the Max Axle weigh of the Motorhome?
What was the Manufacturers Date on the tyres?
More importantly, had the vehicle been stood for long?

No, the CP marking is not new.

Motorhomes DO NOT NEED to have CP or camper tyres fitted. Even if fully loaded to within manufacturers specs. Quality, standard commercial tyres are perfectly safe. Providing you have the correct tyres with as specified by the Manufacturer.

TM

Hi TM,
I do not have the above information as the tyres were not on my Motorhome. However i do know the Motorhome involved was an Autotrail Mohican with a Merc engine and it was the rear tyres that had to be changed.
The couple who own the motorhome do a fair amount of touring so i guess the vehicle would not be static for too long.

When the owner was showing me his tyres i noticed they looked under inflated and he assured me the pressures were correct however there was a much bigger bulge in the sidewall of his tyre compared to my tyres.

He now has CP tyres fitted and the side wall looks about the same as mine. Apparently, when they were removed the chap told him they were pretty much done in because of the weight on them?

I have a new motorhome and when I contacted Continental to get the correct tyre pressures the technician told me the structural difference between C and CP tyres and the tyre pressures would be different.
(After weighing both axles I was advised to reduce my pressures from that recommended by Fiat and Autotrail)

I've also seen advertising statements for these tyres to the effect they do not suffer from flat spots!

I accept your point about the legality of commercial tyres and C tyres etc. I guess you have some experience within the Tyre industry!
However, my take on this is to accept the tyres fitted to my motorhome as new, to be the correct ones for the specific vehicle use i.e. a motorhome, and the advice and information given to me directly from the tyre manufacture.
I've also attached a document that explains the difference between C and CP tyres.
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