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Unless you have a Sog system fitted or you empty it every day I would put something in- especially in summer. It will be smelly if you do not. Biomagic is a chemical that seems to be recommended but we are happy with our green loo fluid.
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We don't use any chemicals in our Sog. Jus empty daily
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Further down this page it suggests that some companies are selling Sodium or Calcium Nitrate and claiming some of the same properties and results of the BioMagic formula. Has anyone used any of these other compaines products and if they have how did they find them ? also can you purchase Sodium or Calcium Nitrate and are they dangerous to use and the the envoiroment ?
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Water, Oxygen and Nitrogen..... Not that that helps much. The US site tells us about Biomagic500 which I assume is the stuff we use. Its here.
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The Uk site is here,
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It says this amoungst other stuff.
"BioMagic" tm
Industrial Bio-Stimulant
Extracted from the New Zealand site!
Non hazardous and Biodegradable
The Most Advanced Organic Odour
and Waste Eliminator in the World Today!
Safe on the Skin, Harmless to Animals
and Good for the Environment. Reducing operating costs, eliminating odours and waste naturally, is our business.
Instantly Eliminates Odours
& Accelerates the Decomposition of
Decaying Organic Waste
TECHNICAL VERSION :
WHAT IS BioMagic?
BioMagic is an industrial bio-stimulant that is non-hazardous and completely biodegradable. Its properties allow for instant odour elimination upon contact with malodorous molecules and can be used in the treatment of liquid and solid organic waste. The formula is designed to hyper-accelerate the activity of indigenous microbes, mainly facultative anaerobes, inhabiting waste stream environments by providing an abundance of oxygen (electron acceptor) for metabolism to occur. The uniqueness of BioMagic is that it is produced by a chemistry technique in which the reaction is endothermic (energy absorbing). For every molecule of BioMagic six atoms of oxygen are available for microbial usage compared to two atoms for metal peroxides, three atoms for U.S. Filters’ product Bioxide, and four for permanganates. In order for bacterial respiration or metabolism to occur, electron acceptors are required in the oxidation (metabolism) process. The most energetically favourable electron acceptor is oxygen (O2), nitrate (NO3) being next, and sulphate (SO4) being the least energetically favourable electron acceptor.
Because of BioMagic’s structure and properties, one of which, is the molecule negative net charge, it acts as an oxidizing agent in atmospheric conditions as well, which adds to BioMagic’s uniqueness by allowing the instantaneous oxidation of malodorous compounds, thereby eliminating atmospheric odours on contact.
In Summary:
BioMagic is comprised of Oxygen, Water and Nitrogen. It is safe on the skin, harmless to animals and very good for the environment.
BioMagic is a non-biocide, non-enzyme, non-bacterial, non-volatile, pH neutral liquid that may be sprayed on or mixed with odour producing organic waste.
BioMagic contains no perfume or colouring. It does not ‘"mask" the odour, it eliminates it.
BioMagic contains 30 or more times the amount of oxygen and nutrients available of all known products now available.
BioMagic is a hydrated compound. Hydrated means that BioMagic attracts moisture. Keeping bacteria moist allows the bacteria to keep working. It also contains a surfactant that allows it to migrate into a biomass.
Please note that BioMagic is not made from Sodium Nitrate or Calcium Nitrate or a mixture of the two products. Many companies are selling Sodium or Calcium Nitrate and claiming some of the same properties and results of the BioMagic formula.
LAYMAN’S VERSION :
WHAT IS BioMagic ?
BioMagic is comprised of Oxygen, Water and Nitrogen. It is safe on the skin, harmless to animals and very good for the environment.
BioMagic is a non-biocide, non-enzyme, non-bacterial, non-volatile, pH neutral liquid that may be sprayed on or mixed with odour producing organic waste.
BioMagic contains no perfume or colouring, they are not necessary. It does not "mask" the odour, it eliminates it.
BioMagic contains 30 or more times the amount of oxygen and nutrients available of all known products now available.
BioMagic is a hydrated compound. Hydrated means that BioMagic attracts moisture. Keeping bacteria moist allows the bacteria to keep working. It also contains a surfactant that allows it to migrate into a biomass.
Please note that BioMagic is not made from Sodium Nitrate or Calcium Nitrate or a mixture of the two products. Many companies are selling Sodium or Calcium Nitrate and claiming some of the same properties and results of the BioMagic formula
The New Zealand site is here and has more of the same in a more presentable form.
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Id be interested to know your view.
May be we should run some sort of poll on users views of effectivness of the various potions in regular use ?
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I Have been reading this thread and googled Biomagic to find out more.
Please follow the link above for the safety sheet on Biomagic. I was partically interested in the fire bit on page 2 if biomagic is allowed to dry out.
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Well the first question people ask is "What is a Sog"
A Sog system is a very basic idea that works suprisingly well. The kit comprises of a small fan, some tubing, a thetford adaptor and a carbon charcoal filter.
Basically the Sog works on the principal that biological/fecal matter decomposes faster when exposed to bacteria. This bacteria is encouraged to grow by the presence of oxygen.
How this works with respect to the Sog Kit is that once installed you open the flap to the toilet as per normal, but this action actually trips a switch which activates the fan and draws air into the toilet from within the toilet compartment and passes this through the cassette and out through the carbon filter to be expelled outside.
In actual use we were suprised at how well the system works, no chemicals are needed when a Sog Kit is fitted so its a money saver, plus the cassette contents are completely 100% Biodegradeable and can be flushed down standard toilets so is excellent for wild camping fans. The system also requires no specialised toilet paper, in fact we found the cheaper the toilet paper the better it decomposed.
The aroma of chemicals and ahem other smells within the toilet is also reduced to be minimal.
If we exchange our motorhome in the future we will definately be getting a Sog System fitted to our new van.
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We tried Biomagic for several weeks last year, it was awful. The loo smelt continuously even tho' we emptied it at a maximum three day intervals as reccommended. We have now gone back to the blue stuff, which, I believe no longer contains formaldehyde and is approved by the german eviromental guys.
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Had no trouble at all with our Sog. Will save us a fortune in chemicals over the years. Dont empty it any more often than we used to using chemicals. Havent noticed any extra smells either.
I always thought you werent supposed to use chemicals in an RV black tank either because it works in a similar way to the Sog and relies on bacterological action to break down the smelly things.
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I'll be giving Biomagic a blast. BUT - a big but - it seems critical to ensure that there are no traces (at all) of chemicals in the tank otherwise they kill off all of the good bugs. This, I understand, is the main problem when Biomagic doesn't work - residual chemicals killing off the bacteria. Spacerunner - perhaps that is your problem........????
I'll give it a try, but if I suffer the same problem as many others, I'll go back to the usual chemical approach.
The main worry I have with Biomagic is will household cleaning chemicals stop it working..........
Hmmmmm - we shall see.
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While i understand you don't get any smells I would be interested in what is it like for others that are parked near you, and what is the smell like when you go to empty it ?
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Had no trouble at all with our Sog. Will save us a fortune in chemicals over the years. Dont empty it any more often than we used to using chemicals. Havent noticed any extra smells either.
I always thought you werent supposed to use chemicals in an RV black tank either because it works in a similar way to the
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