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OK, I see what you're getting at, but is it practical - or even desirable?
There's already a field in the campsite entries for whoever submits the entry to decide whether or not the site is suitable for RVs over 30' and this displays on the precis screen. What you're proposing intimates that only an RV owner can be judged competent to decide whether that field should be completed. Isn't that a bit elitist? I'll agree that many members (me included) wouldn't purport to be experts on this but surely you have to give them the opportunity to make a judgment? After all, many have HGV licenses or have driven large vehicles all their lives. OK, sometimes they make mistakes but don't we all, I'm sure they do their best. You could make a similar observation about the disabled facility field, should it only be completed by a disabled person? Of course not, it's there as an indicator and is completed by the member submitting the site as a guide to those disabled members who might use the site in the future. Just the same as the RV field.
So what about adding an additional field for RV owners to complete?
A campsite entry on MHF belongs to the member who lists it and only they have the permissions to edit the information therein (except for the database admins) so to add an additional field for RV owners to complete (and display on the precis screen) would require a complex set of permissions and would also mean that dual ownerships would need to be set up for each site. Another point if an additional and seperately owned database field was possible would be how do we screen the member making the entry to make sure they drive an RV and have visited the site? If I were feeling malicious I could just visit a few site entries and tick the boxes just to lead you guys down arrow lanes to inaccessible sites.
The entries you highlight are quite acceptable, most entries submitted by RV owners tend to mention how suitable the site is for RVs in the text of the site description so why isn't that enough? Reviews of every site can be submitted as you have done which will clearly highlight that the site is RV friendly.
One thing I would urge RV owners to do is that when they visit sites on the database and find that the information given in the "Suitable for RVs" field is incorrect, they should send a PM to one of the database admins and ask them to edit the entry. I'm sure they would also add suitable comments to the entry text too if requested. The same applies to any of the other fields for that matter.
I was trying to go forward with some half baked ideas for discussion without being elitist.
From personal experience you are absolutely correct re the disabled facilities. It is easy to say yes there are facilities, but when you try them with a disabled friend or relative they can be woefully inadequate or indeed unworkable. Only the disabled, or some professional designers for the disabled can really tell. The sign outside cannot always be relied upon and the differences in disability are not always taken into account.
You also make some very valid and practical points which I had not even begun to think about re dual ownership of sites and complex permissions etc. I suppose I had only begun to think about the original sites inputted by RVers for both European and RV use. I have no answer for your well made points re adding to an existing entry. Your example about leading us down the narrow lanes is of course clear and I had a good laugh thinking how easy it would be, but I trust the common interest and trust between us for this not to happen.
Conversely perhaps those who do not like RV's on their favourite camp site could maliciously put a cross against "Suitable for RVs OVER 30ft". I hadn't thought about that one until now. I do know that not all MH's like RVs.
It may be that the only way would be to pass notes to the database admins for an entry / modification / correction via their safe hands and through the back door, so to speak, but I had hoped for an easier way to do this to encourage all to increase the knowledge base. In theory I had hoped a simple form would have helped, but I do now see your points and the complexity of the issue.
What ever else happens please lets NOT cause a rift between MH's & RV's, as MicknPat have already said above. I am sensitive to this, both here and in camp sites, as I am sure are all (well most at least) other RVers.
We just want to park up and open a bottle, or put the kettle on, like every one else, but without getting too many scratches or bumps on the way in.
Thanks for your replies and explanations,
Duadua
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I fully understand how your views have been made and an excellent posting by all of you. The problem is this listing is about the Specifications Database and not the Campsite Database.
Could we please stay on topic and if possible start a new thread for your points? Is it also possible to move the Campsite DB points from here to the new thread?
I would just like to thank you for your input and please continue but stick to the relevant subject.
Ken
Sent you a pm this afternoon not sure if you received? Please reply so I can move things forward before meeting. Also if you are moving some of this contant to another thread could you please adjust wording on here.
Thanks all of you
Steve
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Well, talk about going off-topic. This started as Steves' specification database topic and it's gone all camp.
Apologies Steve for taking part in this diversion, I was led astray by naughty members and am now feeling the lash from my fellow mods.
I've obviously been overdosing on databases recently.
Please - no more mention of campsites, back over to you Steve with our apologies.
EDIT: Steve, our posts must have crossed, yet another glitch in the peace amd quiet of a slow Saturday evening. I haven't received a PM from you, send again if you would. I've been trying to figure out how to split this thread and still make it sound sensible but I just gave up and apologised instead.
Apologies Steve for taking part in this diversion, I was led astray by naughty members and am now feeling the lash from my fellow mods.
I've obviously been overdosing on databases recently.
Naughty members Naughty Mods more like
As stated excellent feedback but wrong thread.
Until Dave gives a decision on separating or not we can not move on.
But we can keep the suggestions coming and then we can action as neccessary.
Going forward I would like to put in block entries this is being looked at, I would also like to revisit the already submitted entries and adjust website etc. Or we could even ask for missing info to be supplied. That may be stage 2,3 or even 4. We just want to get details right first so come on please give us your feedback.
Thank you for the replies so far.
Steve
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