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333896 Post Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:57 pm Thank this member for this postReply with quote Add User to Ignore List Back To Top

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Having driven automatics of all types for more than 20 years I do not know or understand why people call the new type autos mickey mouse. I have driven most types of car ranging from Mercedes to Rolls Royce when I worked in the motor trade and I can therefore say with some authority that the new type autos are great to drive. Both my car and motorhome are of the new type autos. I simply could not own a motorhome if these boxes were not available.
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My prejudices are still in place.

No matter what sort of auto it is, I suggest that you give it three years for Fiat to sort out its workings - they haven't yet demonstrated they can sort out a simple water leak yet.

So what gives you the confidence to beleive that it will actually work - and keep on working ?

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smick wrote:
My prejudices are still in place.

No matter what sort of auto it is, I suggest that you give it three years for Fiat to sort out its workings - they haven't yet demonstrated they can sort out a simple water leak yet.

So what gives you the confidence to beleive that it will actually work - and keep on working ?

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It all depends on whether this is new engineering or whether it is a component already in use? Clutchless systems have been in use for many years on HGV's, and from what has been said, this is similar.
 
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Torque converters are fantastic for hill starts but the fact that there is always some slip between engine and drive shaft means that it will always be less efficient than a manual or quick shift variety.

As said above this is quite old technology that is just creeping into the small/medium van market.

What interests me is how one controls the vehicle on hill starts. I know we still have the handbrake buts its the use of the throttle pedal that concerns me. I suppose it will be trial an error.

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Just thought I would add a comment re sem-automatics, I have a Fiat panda semiauto & would love the same system on my campervan, if only Razz
The Smart version is dire & no way compares to Fiat system which is electrohydraulic rather than Smarts solenoid system.

There is no jerk at all & its actually more economical than a manual version as it only changes gear when its at the correct rpm to do so, its so nice to relax & just not bother about constantly having to shove in a lever with your foot, how antiquated is that ? it goes back to the dawn of motoring.
You do have to use the handbrake as usual on hills & inclines but thats a small price to pay when you consider the advantages.
 
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Unless Iíve missed something, itís been a while since this has been asked Ė
Has anybody taken delivery of a new Fiat with autobox?
If so, what is it like to drive?
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Hello there,

It is okay, just like any other robotised box. It hunts, jerks, hesitates and gets confused. Was acceptable for me on a brand new empty box van. However, stick some weight on it and some miles and things will be different.

If you want and Automatic you need to buy just that. That leaves just the Mercedes Vito or Sprinter. Agile will still need replacement clutches, sensors, hydrolic pumps and all that goes wrong with these boxes when the miles creep up.

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Greetings,

I remember in the good old days in my position as a motor vehicle mechanic, we used to work on and drove the old Hillman minx semi automatic, I think it was called manumatic or selctamatic, this system had an electric clutch operated by a switch on the top of the gear lever., although not ideal it did offer some degree of gear changing without a foot operated clutch control.

I now own a Mitsubishi Colt CZ2 semi automatic and it is ideal, although it is not as smooth as a true automatic, you learn to use it with ease and you can also choose to use the gearbox without a manual clutch if you wish.

I was looking at several automatics before I bought this one and most returned about 30 mpg, the semi auto can give me 38mpg urban, 45 on a run at about 60 - 70 mph and up to 55 by driving carefully, so it was a wise choice for me.

I have owned many true automatics and also worked on them and although they are smoother and easier to operate they do consume more fuel and waste more power by the fact of the power loss in the torque converter.

My next car will be another semi-auto and I am also looking at semi-auto motorhomes as well.
 
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I am now the proud owner of a Renault Master van with the semi-automatic gear box and it is fantastic.

It changes gear quite smoothly and usually at the correct speed. However if you wish to select a gear earlier all you have to do is push the gear leaver forward.

You can drive the vehicle as if it were a manual gearbox but you don't have to bother about a clutch.

In first and reverse the vehicle will creep forward as per a real auto.

The gearbox can be left on gear at traffic lights without selecting neutral but it should not be left there for too long. I prefer to select neutral when at lights.

It can be left in gear when the engine is switched off if required.

It cannot be started in gear. Whilst stationary the foot brake must be pressure and then the gearbox selects neutral.

It also has a button that selects a different program for gear changing under conditions of light load and wet/icy conditions.

My 3500kg (max), 3000kg (actual) van returned just over 30 mph in its first 1000 miles with speeds of up to 65 mph on motorways.

This gearbox and cruise control makes life much simpler on the long open roads.

I have a real auto car and this semi-automatic van and I find both fantastically easy to drive.

As stated my Renault Master 2.5 litre diesel van with the semi-auto gearbox returns just over 30 mpg whereas my old Peugeot 205 auto returns only 32 mpg. just shows you how things have improved on the mpg front

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Hi All
We have a Fiat 2.8 Hymer auto 2004 LHD 614 it drives like a dream I get 26 to 28 mpg It has no torque converter it is electronic I did have some problems with the electronics when I had the van first but Fiat sorted these out and it has been excellent ever since Would not go back to manuel My first Hymer was a 2.8 manuel 584 as for starting on hills I have driven over the Alps in snow also with no problems Hill starts are no problem better than a t/c box I have driven both I find the electronic gear change much better than a t/c box
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