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Why are there so few compaints coming from this side.
Dunno- I've commented on that before. Could be because MHF members affected have been preoccupied with Scuttlegate...or they haven't tried the Uphill Reverse Test...perhaps becuase deep down they fear the consequences?? (ignorance of a problem=no problem). I can understand that especially if they've been through the trauma of Scuttlegate.
There still seems a quota of people who don't experience a problem. I think it's just as important to inform Andy Stothert about those cases.
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It shows the various components in a dual mass assembly - (I have been told that is the type fitted?).
At the end of the document it talks about clutch judder - and asks the question if it is worse when reversing uphill........ BUT it does not specifically the dual mass unit here.
Its quite possible that LUK is the brand fitted and there are other articles shown in this document illustrating several possible causes of clutch judder.
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Hi Hymie.
Sounds interesting, but I cant get anything on the link, just a blank page
Any chance of copy & paste or a "snap shot" so we can see what's said without going to the link
Cheers Catherine
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I almost started a new thread called "Juddergate- an alternative perspective" but thought if we're not careful we'll end up like OAL with too many different threads for same subject.
Anyway- I've taken the liberty of copy/pasting a new Postfrom OAL (I don't think there are copyright issues?!) It'll be interesting to see what replies result both here and OAL:
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I have followed this thread with interest for some time and indeed have posted a reply. However it never ceases to amaze me how people with no experience of the vehicle take to making comments that are inaccurate or plain stupid. The man who has had a real problem is Andy but he does not say if the gearbox failure has happened again, and their is certainly no record of Ducato gearbox problems. Others who are joining in by reversing up steep hills and complaining about a judder have plainly never tried to reverse up a very steep hill before, most commercials will judder if asked to do this. The judder is caused by either plain bad driving or trying to get the vehicle to do something it was never designed for, but will it cause gearbox failure, no why should it. Now it may be that a few of these vehicles have a problem and if so it should be fixed but it is certainly not wide spread. In 2007 Fiat sold some 10,000 new units in the UK, in Europe they sold around 130,000 units. Now I would suggest a general problem would have shown up by now but it has not. Suggestions that the few complaints will effect sales is plainly not correct, why should it most are fine. Fiat had some early recalls but when did a new vehicle not have some, if you bother to check the VOSA site you will see they have less than all major competitors. Two in three motorhome base units are now Fiat, why because they are the best, most others are now old and drive like tractors in comparison. The Ducato unit has now been around for some 18 months so early bugs are sorted, it is not in Fiats interest to ignore problems but they plainly do not accept the very few judder complaints as a problem. Unlike I suspect most on this forum I have now driven three Ducato's, two 2007, one 2008 and none juddered in reverse, although I have little doubt if I found a steep enough hill they would, I agree with Fiat this would be normal and I would say this is currently by far the best base unit on the market both in layout and driving, if thinking of buying a new motorhome go for a Fiat based one, by all means test drive first. I have been in the motortrade for 30 years, now retired, and have seen this type of discussion many times get blown up out of proportion by a few people. No one can blame Andy or anyone else for complaining long and loud about faults, I would do it myself, but keep things in proportion."
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I almost started a new thread called "Juddergate- an alternative perspective" but thought if we're not careful we'll end up like OAL with too many different threads for same subject.
Anyway- I've taken the liberty of copy/pasting a new Postfrom OAL (I don't think there are copyright issues?!) It'll be interesting to see what replies result both here and OAL:
Post as follows:
I have followed this thread with interest for some time and indeed have posted a reply. However it never ceases to amaze me how people with no experience of the vehicle take to making comments that are inaccurate or plain stupid. The man who has had a real problem is Andy but he does not say if the gearbox failure has happened again, and their is certainly no record of Ducato gearbox problems. Others who are joining in by reversing up steep hills and complaining about a judder have plainly never tried to reverse up a very steep hill before, most commercials will judder if asked to do this. The judder is caused by either plain bad driving or trying to get the vehicle to do something it was never designed for, but will it cause gearbox failure, no why should it. Now it may be that a few of these vehicles have a problem and if so it should be fixed but it is certainly not wide spread. In 2007 Fiat sold some 10,000 new units in the UK, in Europe they sold around 130,000 units. Now I would suggest a general problem would have shown up by now but it has not. Suggestions that the few complaints will effect sales is plainly not correct, why should it most are fine. Fiat had some early recalls but when did a new vehicle not have some, if you bother to check the VOSA site you will see they have less than all major competitors. Two in three motorhome base units are now Fiat, why because they are the best, most others are now old and drive like tractors in comparison. The Ducato unit has now been around for some 18 months so early bugs are sorted, it is not in Fiats interest to ignore problems but they plainly do not accept the very few judder complaints as a problem. Unlike I suspect most on this forum I have now driven three Ducato's, two 2007, one 2008 and none juddered in reverse, although I have little doubt if I found a steep enough hill they would, I agree with Fiat this would be normal and I would say this is currently by far the best base unit on the market both in layout and driving, if thinking of buying a new motorhome go for a Fiat based one, by all means test drive first. I have been in the motortrade for 30 years, now retired, and have seen this type of discussion many times get blown up out of proportion by a few people. No one can blame Andy or anyone else for complaining long and loud about faults, I would do it myself, but keep things in proportion."
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Couldn't have put it better myself.
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I also have followed this with interest. I have absolutely no mechanical, technical, or engineering expertise neither have I driven 94 million miles in a van, car, motorhome, truck, motorbike or any other vehicle so I have no idea whether what is being experienced by many people with these vans is normal or not. My only experience is driving two previous incarnations of the Fiat Ducato a 1997 P reg and an 05 reg and neither of these juddered in reverse, this is my experience, so if the 07/08 Ducato judders then this would be a new 'characteristic'
All people report are THEIR experiences with their vehicle which is fine. I have done the same with my scuttlegate saga. However I would with respect be more inclined to have a wholly independant engineering expert run the rule over these vans in order to have a completely unbiased view. My view is biased by my previous experiences of these vans and is not backed up by facts whatever these may be.
Sorry guys but I may be barking up the wrong tree here and my view maybe differs from others, but people are currently expressing opinion but presenting it as fact. Which is wholly reminiscant of scuttlegate. This was dismissed by various people as cosmetic, not worth bothering about and others as a serious problem liable to cause damage in the future. Only when it was fully investigated and backed up by experts did it become known that indeed it was a safety defect and liable to cause trouble in the future.
If this were me I would comission an independant report, however this is just me and what I would do being a total mechanophobe.
Forgot to say I wish everyone who is caught up in this the best of luck in resolving it.
Carol-have you seen this? "The clutch judder has got a mention on
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"- posted by rowley on t'other thread?
Fiat are looking into it apparently. SShhh ....don't shout too loud
PS- take your point entirely- "speak as you find"
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