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motorhomer>Please keep your opinions to yourself as they are personal
No they are not?
Why can people not afford to pay a fiver for something they use and enjoy.
You don't expect to get a pint of beer for nowt, so why expect to get a site like this for nowt !?
motorhomer> What you will do is up to you.
What happens to this site is nothing to do with me actually, it's nukes decision.
motorhomer>It is not for you to say what you have just said above.
I live in a free country, where free speech is (supposedly) permitted. So long as it is not liable, then I can (within reason) say what the hell I like.
You might not like my opinion, or you may agree with it. But YOU have no authority in telling me what I can or can't say?
Motorhomer> Using your logic people shouldn't have cars
EH! What are you going on about man !?
Are you drunk !
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Jail me please... go on, just the once
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subscriptions keep raising their head for one major reason
MHF is growing constantly, and this growth alongside its stability and improvements and enhancements requires lots and lots of hard work in the background. Please consider that MHF isnt like a personal website or a standard static website. Its interactive and its this interaction that makes it complicated and hence needs time to tweak it along its path.
I'm afraid its just getting to the point where i cannot dedicate this time and effort due to other commitments elsewhere, completely out of my hands. I have looked at the site and although we may have 8,000 members on paper, we do not have that many CONTRIBUTORS, i mean contributors in that they give something to the site not in the financial sense but in the adding to the community and to the knowledge base if you will.
The number of members who actually contribute in this way is dramatically lower, i would estimate <10% i.e . <800
as mentioned in this thread it feels good to consider ourselves part of one of the largest MH communities like this but where is this getting us ?
We have rallies and the attendance of these rallies is normally sub 20 vans !
We have an extremely hard working rally volunteer team, but even they must get frustrated at these figures. Even when they mention slush funds to try and build up a nice comeraderie and fund things like vino and nibbles they get shot down in flames. If everyone were paid members then these rallies could be subsidised for members and could become much better attended as people do tend to become more involved and as kands mentioned "take ownership" as they want their moneys worth out of it all
I can see MHF evolving but it needs some good support from its members to do so. I know this thread will run and run and i am interested in opinions so keep em coming.
Hello
re rallies.
Part of the reason why the rally attendance count is small is due to short arrangement notice. Folk are very often otherwise engaged. ie abroad on holiday travels etc & other commitments. Also the rally/gettogether needs to be within an attendees reasonable distance to travel. Weare thinking of attending the next Midlands rally but feel the distance for two nights is prohibitive for us. The New Year rally however is a possibility because we also have family in that area that we can also visit if we want to
Unfortunately there is nowhere near where we live suitable to hold a get together.
Motorhomer
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Wile have you fell in the red again? not everybody wants to rally, i like the site my wife is completely disinterested in it, we want different things, thats life get over it.
Some pay some don't, i have had good advice from this site, i would get less if you had to subscribe. After reading your previous post i about buying nuke a drink i thought yes i would, so i subscribed, but thats me if others don't so what, i am happy.
I prefer white myself just starting on the second bottle.
Olley
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Part of the reason why the rally attendance count is small is due to short arrangement notice
How much notice does one require to be reasonable then???
Posted: 2005-06-07, 20:19:13 (by Mandyanddave) Post subject: Northern Motorcaravan show York, September 16-18 2005
"I need a show of hands for MHF members prepared to meet up, in Our Own Club Section at the above event"
<snip>
The York Show was still 3 months away at that point?
Some of the meets have been as short as 2 or 3 weeks notice & then cancelled. Even 3 months for some folks who travel a lot without naming names is too short. Those who work plan their holidays 12 months or even more in advance. I would say a happy medium for a good turn out would be about 6 months. Once diary spaces are filled they are filled. Not every motorhomer is retired free to come & go & not every motorhomer has every weekend off. Perhaps you are retired & with pockets lined in gold but not everyone is, some still have to work.
Motorhomer
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Sorry to go of at a tangent on your post BillD,but i must agree with Wile on this and just add that my post for the Midland Rally went up on 20 Sept.and is not untill 18 Nov., have so far 21 units attending out of 8.000 members with space for 50 and this in the exact middle of the country,5mins off M1............what more can anyone try to do.
We do work weekends but thought this would be more convenient for everyone,i know this is our choice but have given up a weekends work too to do this and we are both self employed
Thanks by the way to those who can make it and for the kind words i have received................
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What happens to this site is nothing to do with me actually, it's nukes decision.
Hi Wily
Re the quote from you above:
What happens to this site actually does have something to do with you and with anyone who posts regularily on here.
Since the site started it has, at various times suffered from growing pains ..just like it seems to be at the moment. But IMHO we are , in the forum, losing what did seem to be a true community spirit of common good. We had arguments about all sorts of rubbish but we did always seem to treat each other with some respect. IMHO that does now seem to missing and the emotive subject of subs has reared its ugly head again. I say "ugly head" because as far as I can see there is no "best" solution and as you can see from this thread the "Them and Us" feeling between payers and non payers does nothing to help the overall community of MHF.
You also said
"I live in a free country, where free speech is (supposedly) permitted. So long as it is not liable, then I can (within reason) say what the hell I like. "
IMHO....Well yes you can but normally between friends stating something like that is not usually found to be necessary and personally I always try ....especially when writing on here, to think how my writen words will come over to the reader...It is a bit different when talking one on one to sitting in front of a computer screen and reading it at a distance.
I do hope that all the folks who are determined to just keep on stirring things up will ..just for now anyway, give it a rest. MHF needs a bit of breathing space.
Nuke will, I have no doubt, be thinking and worrying about the revenues from this site just like the revenues from his other sites. He needs to earn a crust....as he says, he is back here now and needs to generate a living from his skills....whether it can be done by making MHF a subscription site remains to be seen.
Nuke could if he wished sell off this foundling web site to one of the big clubs ....In fact that may well be where he is going. The CC or the C&CC could do with a forum like this, ready set up and with a good turnover of readers....change the name and bingo...big bucks.
Mike
P.S. Hi hymmi having just seen your post ...Sorry but although for us this should have been the easiest of rallies to attend ...it does fall on the same weekend as my wifes work "end of season party" and as such we will have to attend that ....still amongst campers though because as a job she helps run a local holiday park!. Best of Luck with the Rally ...and the weather
I am sorry you can't make it, it would have been nice to meet you both again,maybe catch up at the C.C.stand at the N.E.C.next year,bring a chair ................. .
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