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Bio-Diesel?
14935 PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:28 am Thank this member for this postReply with quote
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Typically as I'm about to leave Germany I'll think to ask the question...

Has anyone used bio-diesel in their van, I suspect it needs some sort of engine tweak?

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Hi,

As far as I have so far established, it doesn’t need any tweeks, unlike using vegetable oil (cooking oil) which requires preheaters in the tank, extra tank, extra valves etc.

As I’ve only lightly browsed the subject, I would recommend a search on Google to get conformation of the above
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Hi Steve,

I did try that but could not find much definitive - best I came up with was...

http://www.biodieselfillingstations.co.uk/approvals.htm

BMW apparently has an extra sensor on german vehicles to modify engine mapping... and in France apparently it is always in the mix (by law???)

Confused? I am?

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Hi Dave,

Cant quite see if your base vehicle is a Merc or a Ducato/Boxer. I’ve just taken a look at your link and as you say its not very definitive. It’s probably best to follow their suggestion and contact your manufacturer. I don’t think you’ll get a sound answer from a dealer.

What I will do though is ask your question on another forum to see what they come up with, [url=http://s3.invisionfree.com/SBMCC/index.php?showtopic=6846][size=14:86dc7ff51b]click here to view[/size:86dc7ff51b][/url]
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Can someone tell me the difference between bio diesel and standard diesel.

Where does red diesel fit in all this?

Coming from Aus where diesel is not favoured I wuld be interested to learn.

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[quote:2dd5f6a369="musicbus"]Can someone tell me the difference between bio diesel and standard diesel.

Where does red diesel fit in all this?

Barry[/quote:2dd5f6a369]

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Bio-diesel is derived from plants.
Red diesel is same as ordinary "white" diesel with red dye added to identify it as low tax. Used in agriculture, JCBs, fork lift trucks etc and boats. A 205lt drum of red costs me £84 or 41p/lt. Half the cost of white diesel.
Heavy fines are levied if used improperly, ie in your motorhome.
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Talking of 'red' diesel, we were pulled over at Dover on our way to France 2 years ago by customs and excise they took a diesel sample from our tank and checked it for 'red'. I asked out of interest what would happen if they found traces and he replied that the vehicle would be immediately impounded and they are quite within their rights to confiscate the vehicle.

Thats a good enough incentive for me not to risk it!

Happy 'duty paid' travels.

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Definately not worth the risk, a local coach company were found using "red" and were fined thousands.. ...fill up in France Very Happy


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[quote:25fd9afec8="scotjimland"] A 205lt drum of red costs me £84 or 41p/lt. Half the cost of white diesel.[/quote:25fd9afec8]

Hi Jim,

I know you buy more expensive things than me Wink but I only pay just under £52 for mine. I use it in my JCB, Dumper etc. It’s a regular pass time of the C&E to pull people over in these parts. Also, if your using your plant (JCB’s etc) on the public highway its not liked by the C&E. You can apply for some sort of exemption to use it in your plant and certain road vehicles if its all for agricultural use within a certain radius of your main operating centre (it also applies to the road fund licence).

Red diesel (claret) is basically heating oil (which also has red dye) but a bit more course than normal road diesel (DERV, = diesel engined road vehicle) so will wear out certain types of injector pumps (not sure which ones, probably rotary as all mine are in line)

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Have always wondered why diesel in France smells different to ours...kind of slightly flowery. Then I read recently that the French stuff is about 10% biodiesel. Check out the forums (The Back Room) on the 'Honest John' website where I read it
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There are numerous posts on the use of vegetable oil in diesels. Apparently it works best in the old indirect injection type of diesel engine and a number of people do seem to use it extensively. Must be like following a chip van around.

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