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DAB, sorry for the delay in answering your reply about the Camos Dome and yes I did read your previous post on the subject, but I disagree with your conclusions about satellite reception with the dome.
On Villanova Park 28kms south of Barcelona we lost ITV/BBC whilst others with Oyster dishes where getting it, moving south to Rincon de luna @ Guardamar we got nothing, not a bl**dly thing yet people were getting some TV although not ITV/BBC, moving further south to El Rocio in Southern Spain we have all but ITV\BBC and a guy on the same site with a 85cm MagicSat dish is getting ALL the stations including ITV\BBC.
Now I am not a satellite expert but if only one person can it then it must be possible for others to obtain it as well, I think it is down to quality of equipment nothing short, and not exclusively size of dish, I may be wrong but I have seen the evidence.
The comment about the frying pan and a good LNB may have been a little over the top, it was actually a 35cm Wok but you must firstly cook a Spanish meal in it then just wipe clean and tune into the receiver and hey presto no tv but the smell is great
Roadpro have been brilliant as the main input cable went dickie on me and within 5 days another arrived from the Uk and all is now fine.
Shane just got your PM about the guy in Iceland, even I am not that optimistic of getting it that far North
Glad Roadoro sorted you out OK. My review made clear that a Camos is an efficient dish, but it would be defying the laws of physics if it captured as much signal at the marginal edge of the foorprint as an 85cm diameter dish. Capture area dominates. That's why I said in the review if that use really matters to you, always go for the larger dish.
With which conclusion did you diagree and, factually, why?
Dave
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Dave the blurb states that it does not guarantee a full service south of Barcelona, 28kms south of Barcelona is surely not acceptable as a non responsive reception, we were in Villafranca in the centre of Barcelona getting our LPG filled and still got zilch, so for nearly Ģ2000 worth of equipment I say it Bl**dy crap, I have had better reception on stand alone 85cms and smaller cms far further south than Barcelona, but saying that there are people on this site with dishes of 1,1mts and bigger and getting no more that me.
So you explain to me Dave why the inconsistence in all this reception, some do N some don't so what is the answer, I was told that the satillte was 26000 miles up in space (I don't know if thats true but it is a long way away) surely its not down to distance from "Granada Land" but I think it is down too Mr. Murdoch.
This is getting into Mars and Venus territory, really weird for me as you're a bloke, too. So..... I'm really not trying to deny you the right to feel the way you do ........ but, but, ......
You seem to want to lump everything together and complain that your Camos dome does not meet your expectations, and is therefore a waste of money. But you need to separate things out, because an awful lot is going on, and, frankly, none of it has got anything to do with your Camos dome doing anything other than what should be expected of it from its distributor's freely available information, MHF reviews, what one can glean from oodles of web information, etc.
Three points.
1) The dish sizes needed to receive BBC & ITV are given in the map compiled from real user reports, at the bottom of:
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Your Camos dish is TEENY compared with any numbers shown in Spain, and it is a testimony to the precision dish and LNB arrangement, protected from the elements under its dome, that it does as well as it does and picks up these channels at all in Spain!
2) People often have trouble around Barcelona in switching between North beam and South beam:
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You need to punch the Astra 2 South button on the Camos, and, provided you have an unblocked line of sight to the satellite, it should do its thing and find it (it will go from search to track, which you can then suppress if you are stationary- and if you have the mobile version, of course). At that point, it has done its job. If it DOESN'T do that, AND you really do have a clear sky, AND your have the larger Camos 40 and not the even smaller 30, then you have a fault. Simply as that, and you need to get it fixed.
Whether your digibox THEN displays any TV pictures at that point is nothing whatsoever to do with the Camos. As the satellite for caravans website says (have you read it?):
"On the extremities of the north beam footprint, you might suffer difficulties with the digibox. This is because the digibox will switch to the north beam default transponder if it can, but if the signal drifts in and out during a 24-hour cycle, you might find you have to keep changing the default transponder back to the south beam in order to get any reception at all."
3) As to the vagaries of different people having different experiences, this is again a combination of things, exacerbated by the fact that digital pictures don't degrade gracefully. By and large, you either get a channel, or you don't, and sometime there are only small differences in decoded signal strength INSIDE a digibox that separate this all or nothing experience.
a) The signal strength from the satellite can vary quite considerably over a small distance, when you are at the edges of the intended footprint. Have a look at the contours over Spain here, for example:
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b) These satellite strengths at the edge of a footprint can then vary over the 24 hr day, as the satellite-for-caravans website quote above alludes. People can get all the channels in the morning, then zilch in the evenings. It happens.
c) Dish size then dominates the received signal strength, but for a given size, there are further differences in the performance and matching of the LNB to the dish, people may not have altered their LNB skew to maximise the signal strength, etc. etc. How far do you want me to go?
I somehow get the feeling that either this is not what you want to hear, or it hasn't made a jot of difference anyhow .....
Dave
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According to ASTRA2D website, I should not be getting BBC and ITV, but I do and the signal strength and quality is almost 100% - better in fact than it was in the UK. 85 cm dish with Pace 12v digibox.
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Dave, thank you for your very comprehensive reply most of which I had already seen.
I am an avid reader of D. Sullivans web site but must confess to not having update my viewing for a long time and after opening the web page I did glean some useful updated information of which I was not aware.
I did change my frequency to the southern beam when in Barcelona and still got nothing even with no obstructions and yes nuke, I have a very sensitive receiver so I was none too pleased with the camos reception, I am in no way dissing the product Dave it does what it say's on the tin I was merely objecting to it not giving a reception in Barcelona or even 28kms south when the information given say's it will not guarantee reception south of Barcelona, when it will not give reception in or just north of the city.
Yes I do understand what you are saying and no it hasn't made a jot of difference, as my main query is about the anomaly of getting a signal off different size dishes, when one can get picture with a zone 1 43cm dish south of Alicante and yet cannot get one with a 40cm dish with supposedly modern software a lot further north and costing a lot of money surprises me.
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