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Please Mods.......how about making this thread a sticky for all that follow so DJP and lookback don't have to read all the same stuff over and over and over and over.............again.
The only problem with making it a sticky is that it would then look like the definitive, "all your questions answered" thread. As far as I can tell, there's other information on different threads, although the conclusion is the same.
What 1happy (Catherine) did on the Fiat water ingress thread
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was to create a 'once and for all' thread, where previous threads were referenced, and any new information / further reports were tacked on the end. Any new evidence / missed references were edited in to the original post. so newcomers can find links to ALL the information from that first post of the sticky thread.
It would be nice if someone could create a new thread, calling it "Collated A-frame Information" or something, possibly referencing each area of legality separately, e.g. requirement for braking, reversing, weight etc, and any threads which related to this subject. This is, of course, if someone fancied doing it for the benefit of other and future members.
Gerald
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This is, of course, if someone fancied doing it for the benefit of other and future members.
It's a good idea, but would have to be done by means of balanced and thorough research. Owing to the contentious nature of the subject, in order for it to be a respected piece of research, I believe it would also have to be moderated regularly, so it didn't develop into yet another argumentative thread (as opposed to a useful discussion).
PS - I'm not volunteering.
Dougie.
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Maybe "contempt" was a slightly overly strong word to use, but the concept of experienced users brushing off newbies is what it felt like. Sorry.
Thats one of the slight problems with forums, the written word sometimes lacks the subtleties of pure communication. However, Forums are a fantastic source of information and need the 'experienced' element.
Please remember, at some point, you guys found the above discussion useful and I did look for the answers on here. I did not find any conclusive answers or any other NTTA references, and that's why when I found one that said "A-frames where illegal" I posted it here wondering if this was new or not. Obviously...not.
I do think this topic needs to have prominence on the Towing forums as everybody new to motorhoming is going to go through this loop. Therefore, Please Mods, can we have this 'legal or not' point made the most obvious part of the "Towing" forums. Its a ridiculous state of affairs in which nearly all newbies will go through.
Anyway, thanks to you guys, and to all, for all the advice.....its most certainly welcome. Hopefully, in the near future, I will see some of you around the bazaar's.
ATB, Rich.
ps. Joined the Caravan Club today....slowly but surely I'm being assimilated.
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Thats one of the slight problems with forums, the written word sometimes lacks the subtleties of pure communication.
Yes, could not agree more. I do not like rattling on for hundreds of words. It would become far to boring for everyone. So the abbreviated reply may appear to a "brush off" which is certainly NOT what it was meant to be. I have found THIS forum to be of immense pleasure and full of great ideas. Very helpful people with a mind of information on virtually any subject, which of course, sometimes means a difference of opinion. A frames are the most immotive subject on this and other forums as there is NO specific OFFICIAL ruling that says A frames are legal or illegal. No doubt that statement will also bring further replies saying if it does not meet reg. xxx or rule yyy then it must be zzz or it may do if you apply aaa etc. etc.
I agree that maybe the mods should consider making the subject "sticky" but again a debate will reign depending on which side of the fence the author is sitting in his/her opinion.
Until the DOT or whoever make a specific law to cover A frames then the discussions will carry on for ever.
There is a rule for towing dolly's, which I am sure we all know and is mentioned in the link you posted in your original post. However, the NTTA did link, wrongly, towing dolly's and A frames in the same sentence.
The A frame they refer to is the type recovery companies used to use when they put a removable clamp around the track rods? Not a custom made A frame which I am sure we all refer to as an A frame.
Finally, again!!!!
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The use of this A-frame for transportation is illegal. It is still OK for use to recover a vehicle to a place of safety.
ONLY on the eyes of the NTTA. As that is their understanding of the position.
That's definately it from me on this subject for now anyway
Wecome to the forum Rich and if you get half the pleasure and half the useful information I have gained over the last 2 years you will be very happy indeed.
Happy Christmas to you and yours.
Dennis
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