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404855 PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:27 am Thank this member for this postReply with quote
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aultymer wrote:
Strange to see this very old thread re appear. It dates from before my membership and leaves me wondering who George Telford is and where is he now?
I have to take issue with Saddle Tramp on the subject of 'Living Vans'.
I was quoted from the horses mouth (I will try to track down the email) that if you carry 'any goods not necessary for living in the van' then it becomes a living van under the existing legislation.
I specifically asked about carrying a dinghy and outboard or scooter and was told that made my MH a 'living van'.
I regard this as a particularly perverted interpretation of regulations which were designed to define a Motorhome (ie it must have certain fixtures) and uses the word 'goods', which to everyone else implies trade goods, as a definition for anything other than the fixtures required.
In effect this interpretation could mean your van is, in law, a 'living van' if you carry a corkscrew since strictly speaking, no matter how much some of us need it, a corkscrew is not 'necessary' for your occupation of the van.

Why does this matter? I understand different MOT rules apply to living vans.

Sorry you take issue with this, But I am only quoting what my local testing station told me, They do test all classes of vehicles, right from juggernaughts to motorcycles.
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Found the email from VOSA:-

"A `living van' is "a vehicle, whether mechanically propelled or not, which
is used for living accommodation by one or more persons and which is also
used for the carriage of goods or burden which are not needed by such one
or more persons for the purpose of their residence in the vehicle". Living
vans are classed as goods vehicles and, depending on their weight, are
therefore in either class IV or VII within the MOT test scheme or are
subject to HGV plating and testing.

Some of the items you mention would probably not be considered as
'reasonably necessary to provide mobile living accomodation'- such as a
canoe,dinghy and motor cycles. Such a vehicle would deemed to be a 'living
van' for testing purposes.

A private HGV would require a HGV test. A V112G is a DVLA form used to
claim exemption from testing.
A Motor Caravan, Living Van and a private HGV all require a test.
There has not been any recent changes to legislation relating to the above.

Ian Byrne, Enquiry Unit"

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Hi, Have taken your post to the guy at Sheffield Testing Station and shown it him, He says if you want your vehicle testing with a dinghy in the back take it to him and he will test it you, He catagorically states that the "Goods" description is for hire or reward, ie to earn money from, He says that he has tested MH with Boats on not just dinghys, "dont know what he means there" another statement he made is that a dinghy has NEVER been goods and has always been leisure, BUT he says if you were selling the dinghy then it would be goods.

Ps I Agree, Dont shoot the messenger.

It just goes to show how wide open a subject this is and that the rules are open to personal translation.

I have just used a Law dictionary to look up the meaning of the word "Goods" and the following is the statement it makes:-

"goods" Law Definition n

Items of personal property offered or sold in commerce.
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