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Any chance of some instructions & or pictures?
Thanks............. Bryan
Hi Bryan
I'd hardly presume to "instruct" but I'll tell you what I did, though it's pretty much what Viator recommended.
The join in my scuttle barely overlapped at all, so first of all I sealed it between the join as well as possible with black Bostic Bond Flex 100 HMA. This is a particularly sticky silicone sealer, and it stays very soft and flexible when set.
I left that overnight to cure, then the following day I plastered a lot more jollop all over the top surface of the join and at least an inch on either side. I couldn't smooth it with a spatula as Viator suggested because the stuff was so bloody sticky, so I had to do something quickly before it skinned over. The only thing to hand that was piable enough and had a bit of "give" in it to go round the contours was a bit of black leather. That was smeared on the underside with the Bond Flex and laid over the gunge to form a more or less pleasing cosmetic finish.
I know it's not the best choice of material to be out in all weathers, but I had to move fast and will "dubbin" it from time to time. (Not a lot of people have to dubbin their truck. )
Having done that, the theory is that a thick enough layer of silicone was applied to form a durable bridge right acros the (so-called) join. Time will tell, but initial impressions are that it will be permanent, even if it does attract the flies away from the local cattle!!
The windscreen seal was comparatively easy, and I did it in one application as mine was a pretty close fit already. Masking tape first, then a run of jollop under the edge, and tooled smooth with lots of spit on my finger. (Interestingly enough, the chap at Bostic Technical Help said he knew of no better "release agent" than spit for doing the job, but suggested that I didn't swallow too much of the jollop!! )
The two pinholes under the wiper spindle and on the offside were drilled out to 11mm, which is a convenient size for inserting some tubing to direct the water away - if I decide to do that. I probably won't though, as I can imagine the tube getting blocked and that would introduce another hassle. I don't think the water will drip onto anything that will be damaged.
The last thing was to extend the length of the ski slope under the scuttle join, and I used a lid stolen from one of Mrs Zeb's Lakeland Plastic storage boxes. I just bolted it underneath using the existing holes. Not pretty but effective, and it will do until I find something better.
The bonnet edges will be done with some closed cell foam, but I haven't got any at the moment. It shouldn't be a problem, and I shall use the same jollop to fix it in place, though it may need to be taped in position until it sets.
Not much point in posting photos as they wouldn't show anything that would help. If your scuttle join has a decent overlap you will not need to bother with the thick bridging layer of jollop, or the leather cladding - but if you have to do that you are at least forewarned to find and cut to shape a bit of suitable cosmetic covering. Mine doesn't look bad, and since the leather is black it will be hardly noticeable unless one looks deliberately.
Phew - a bit of an epic, but I hope it helps. Clean thoroughly first of course or you will be wasting your time.
It sounds like Fiat and its dealers have really messed you about. I had a similar initial experience which I covered previously where I had to go to dealers 4 times before Stormonts at Dunstable did a good job and right first time.
I did complain to Fiat and firmly requested that they reimburse my travelling costs and something for the inconvenience. Result was £150 in vouchers. Worth pursuing.
Our new Burstner went into a Fiat Garage yesterday for the recall work including sealing the scuttle, needless to say things did not work out properly.
One of the items to fix was the windscreen wipers which when on intermittant worked at normal speed.
The Fiat Garage which shall be nameless except that it was Stoneacre at Doncaster decided that it was the motor that was faulty and obtained one overnight, I did suggest to them that it was unlikely to be the motor and that proved to be the case. They do not have a clue what is wrong and said that they wanted to keep the van until next week.
As this garage is 50 miles away I told them to forget about the wipers and complete the rest of the work including the scuttle and that I would sort out it out another way.
When I collected the van at 5pm no work had been done to the scuttle, when I asked then why not they said that they wanted the van back in to sort out the wipers and that the problem may be under the scuttle.
So having told them what I thought of them I took the keys off them and left.
I intend to sort out the scuttle myself taking notice of what other people have done but has anyone had the wiper problem especially on a new vehicle, ours has only done 350 miles.
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Hi Duetto96. If they only took 2 hours to carry out the work then it is a complete bodge and utterly unacceptable.
Our Peugeot van went into Robins and Day in Glasgow on Monday and we did not get it back to the Friday. Some of the time, the van had to just sit around while the various chemicals worked their magic on removing rust, other time was for the sealant to cure. The work carried out while the van was in was as follows.
1 Dismantle injection pipework
2 Remove injectors, de-rust and reassemble.
3 Remove all traces of corrosion from cylinder head
4 De-rust all head steel bolts
6 De-rust and paint High Pressure pump
7 Fit engine cover
8 De-rust engine mounts and paint
9 Clean corrosion from wiper motor
10 Fit cover over wiper motor
11 Fit cover over alternator
12 Remove old scuttle and replace with new version
13 Fit new drain under mid section of scuttle
14 Stripped and greased Steering rack
15 Reprogrammed the Engine management system
16 Replaced starter motor fuse.
17 Carried out check on gearbox bolts.
In addition, they fixed an oil leak, sorted out some cable heat screening and re-set the door locks.
My only disappointment was that they were not in a position to carry out any work do reduce the judder as there was no technical solution yet.
My opinion, for what it is worth, is that Peugeot are doing a far better job of rectifying this problem than Fiat. I just cannot believe that so many Fiat garages are doing such a crap job. It is just unbelievable !!!!!!!
What you need to do is go to the posting on MHF which lists all of the faults and tell the bas*%@5s what is to be done. Quote all of the Fiat technical fix numbers and take a note of above. NOTHING LESS IS ACCEPTABLE.
This is the link to the full list of fixes
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If they have not done all of the above take your van and kick up a stink.
Regards to all.
JohnC
PS think about sending a complaint to VOSA over the judder problem As TESCO say " Every little counts"
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Grizzly
A PM with those names and e mails would be appreciated.
PM on way Paul.
Make sure to keep a blow by blow record of all your contacts and what you said to each other and what was done with dates and times and the name of your contact. I usually summarise what we have agreed when I phone anyone and ask the person I am speaking to to confirm that this is what we have talked about.
I kept a record of all the mileage we did in connection with Fiat faults and claimed it back from Fiat - including in our case the milage in the car as we had to use it and the van in order to get home and back and forwards to the farm where we keep the van. It is remarkable how it mounts up.
Don't be discouraged. Our van is now in excellent order and, if you read my blogs, you will see that we enjoyed 2 long holidays even when it was leaking and not totally perfect. It's worth waiting for and the frustration - been there, done it, got the vouchers- is quickly forgotten.
G
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The two pinholes under the wiper spindle and on the offside were drilled out to 11mm, which is a convenient size for inserting some tubing to direct the water away - if I decide to do that. I probably won't though, as I can imagine the tube getting blocked and that would introduce another hassle. I don't think the water will drip onto anything that will be damaged.
The last thing was to extend the length of the ski slope under the scuttle join, and I used a lid stolen from one of Mrs Zeb's Lakeland Plastic storage boxes. I just bolted it underneath using the existing holes. Not pretty but effective, and it will do until I find something better.
The bonnet edges will be done with some closed cell foam, but I haven't got any at the moment. It shouldn't be a problem, and I shall use the same jollop to fix it in place, though it may need to be taped in position until it sets.
Not much point in posting photos as they wouldn't show anything that would help. If your scuttle join has a decent overlap you will not need to bother with the thick bridging layer of jollop, or the leather cladding - but if you have to do that you are at least forewarned to find and cut to shape a bit of suitable cosmetic covering. Mine doesn't look bad, and since the leather is black it will be hardly noticeable unless one looks deliberately.
Phew - a bit of an epic, but I hope it helps. Clean thoroughly first of course or you will be wasting your time.
Good luck
That's the bit i was interested in, thanks very much Dave.
Bryan
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