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We are off to St Anton skiing next Sunday for 3 weeks and although I have 2 X 11 kg Gaslow bottles I am a little concerned that I will not have sufficient gas? I am told by the reception staff at Camping Arlberg that the nearest LPG station is at Innsbruck, about 100 k distant but thier camp shop do stock German bottles that I can buy or exchange, but not hire!
I have the connecting hose and German adaptor so that I can connect a German bottle to my external LPG filling point once one of my own bottles is empty but wondered if it was possible to buy a German bottle on the way south through Germany and if so, what are the sizes and any idea on cost and who would sell them?
Any useful information would be very much appreciated.
Thanks for the kind offer of the bottle, but as I will not be coming up your way this week I guess I will have to look for one in Germany or failing that, buy one on the campsite which I suspect will be more expensive.
I've rented a local bottle in the campsite at Solden without having to hand one over, they did briefly ask but as I'd previously stayed and queried them about the bottles they were happy that I'd be handing it back in before leaving.
We've been using about 2kg per day in a 24ft van.
As for autogas, I think most Austrian lpg is 50%propane and 50% butane. I'd tried to get some in Germany where I thought it was 80/20 but the sign on the pump (AVIA) said summer was 40/60 and winter was 60/40.
As for autogas, I think most Austrian lpg is 50%propane and 50% butane. I'd tried to get some in Germany where I thought it was 80/20 but the sign on the pump (AVIA) said summer was 40/60 and winter was 60/40.
I'm not challenging your statement Kev, but I don't understand this? I must be missing something I think?
Below about +5 degrees Celcius, butane vapourises so slowly (if at all when it gets colder ) that it's useless in the van.
In the sort of winters they have, and using a 50/50 mix of propane and butane, when the propane was used up the flame would go out . . . but still with half a tank of useless butane remaining.
You top up with 50/50 again, and now you have 75% butane in the tank! Only 25% of usable propane!!
With the next top up you can take on board only about a tablespoon full of propane . . . if you see what I mean!!
Is it senility again - or is there something I don't understand about the behaviour of the liquified gases?
Autogas is really for cars and they have a liquid take off from the tank so do not suffer as we do using a vapour take off. You are quite right that you could quickly end up with a useless refillable tank of butane so I've tried to use local gas as much as possible.
At the moment my refillable (with some butane in it) is down to about 15% (judging by the ring of ice around it!) but still going strong as today was lovely, sunny and warm. I'm expecting it to run out tonight or tomorrow though then onto our full calor gas backup.
I asked the local tourist office to phone an industrial autogas supplier in Interlaken (where we are headed next) and check on their gas which turns out to be 100% propane, so that is perfect. The other service stations on the list I have are all maximum of 60% propane in winter and most are only 35% propane in winter..
list attached for info (Switzerland LPG Stations) Nope, file too big but if anyone wants it just pm me or google: LPG-Tankstellen-Schweiz.
Just a note of caution about judging the level of gas remaining by the ring of ice; if it constantly below freezing the ring of ice will stay where it first was and not drop with the gas level. Obvious really - in hindsight!
Once i arrived at Camping Arlberg at Pettneu, I found you could rent a 11kg bottle for 30€ and the deposit was 62€. The connection hose and German adaptor from Gaslow to connect the German bottle to the external Gaslow filling point has worked fine and as it means I still have 1 full 11kg Gaslow cylinder in reserve, it was well worth the money.
Temp has been down to -10c so used plenty of gas but currently raining and 3c!
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