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I am in the process of querying our LEZ exclusion.
Mercedes advise me that our 2002 van is definately Euro3.
Has or is anyone else having similar problems ?
I have downloaded the Transport for London Lezregform.
Obviously they are introducing labour and paper saving measures as it is only seven pages.
Don't really give a fig about London but hope clarification might help us in Germany.
We are going to Canvey Island from Pinner, staying overnight somewhere I can't remember and OH said something about LEZ??? what on earth!!!............ anyway .............I only do the driving!! all he did was put in the registration number on some website and it says we are OK!! ours is a 2.8 Peugeot 2005.
I am in the process of querying our LEZ exclusion.
Mercedes advise me that our 2002 van is definately Euro3.
Has or is anyone else having similar problems ?
I have downloaded the Transport for London Lezregform.
Obviously they are introducing labour and paper saving measures as it is only seven pages.
Don't really give a fig about London but hope clarification might help us in Germany.
Good old Borris.
Steve
Yes I had the same problem, I tried to get the DVLA to note it on my registration but it got me nowhere. They now have new styled registration documents which now show Euro status so it may be worth phoning them to check whether it can be added. I would have thought that would be the best way to go. At the time I tried the LEZ check only seemed to be working off vehicle registration dates and not what was on the registration document?
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I have recieved a reply from Transport for London.
The charming Rebecca advises me that the reason I an excluded is because there are no vehicle weights on my V5 and I should contact the DVLA.
This I duly did and the DVLA say that as the vehicle is a Motor Caravan, Private/light goods they are not interested in weights.
But if I want the weight registered I have to have the van weighed and send all documentation to the DVLA who will then change the V5.
Why o why if the DVLA realise the weight of a camper is irrelevant can't Transport for London.
But if I want the weight registered I have to have the van weighed and send all documentation to the DVLA who will then change the V5.
Steve
That does not make a lot of sense does it? I have just checked the V5 for my car (PLG) and that shows the revenue weight as 1,980 kg gross. This must have come from the manufacturer's specification. Note, it is not the actual weight (which is what you would get from weighing) but the GVW/MAM as shown on the plate.
I would have thought the same should apply to a motorhome. Since the revenue difference between PLG and PHG is 3,500 kg Gross, the actual running weight at any point in time is not relevant to DVLA, only the GVW/MAM. Assuming yours in under 3,500 kg, and therefore PLG, you should be able to show the vehicle's weight plate as proof of the revenue weight. If your motorhome is over 3,500 kg, and therefore a PHG vehicle, then as a Euro III model, it is now excluded from the LEZ - but I guess you know that.
You may be interested in the response I received from Tfl, which I copy below and to which I add additional information at the end
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Thank you for your email received by Transport for London (TfL) on 28 November 2011 asking for information about the Low Emission Zone (LEZ).
Your request has been considered in accordance with the requirements of the Environmental Information Regulations (EIR) and TfL’s information access policy. I can confirm TfL does hold the information you require. You asked:
1 From what source do TfL obtain data on a vehicle's weight. I already have a reply which refers to a variety of sources. Please identify the legal requirement for TfL to use for each vehicle, including conversions.
2 What weight definitions are used, in the primary and delegated legislation, to establish the criteria for compliance with the LEZ criteria? TfL communications refer to GVW (Gross Vehicle Weight) which is not used by DVLA/VOSA.
The LEZ Scheme Order sets out the emissions criteria which vehicles covered by the scheme must meet in order to be compliant with the scheme. The standards are based on Euro emissions standards which define the required limits for vehicle emissions. These standards have been set by the European Commission and TfL must be satisfied that a vehicle meets its relevant emission standard in order for the vehicle to be considered compliant with the LEZ. The Euro III and Euro IV stages for light-duty vehicles and heavy duty vehicles are laid down in Directive 98/70/EC. The light duty directive which covers the Euro 3 and IV is 98/69/EC. The heavy duty directive covering the Euro III, IV & V is 1999/96/EC. More information is available on the European parliament website using the following link: http://europarl.europa.eu.
Therefore, TfL uses predefined European Directive vehicle classification standards for the purposes of determining which vehicles are subject to the LEZ. These European Directive classifications take into consideration many factors, including a vehicle’s body type, its weight, and the number of seats it had when manufactured. Once a vehicle’s classification has been identified using these principles, the relevant emissions standard which that vehicle type is required to achieve for PM10 (particulate matter) is applied to determine if a vehicle is compliant or not.
In line with the Directives, the LEZ Scheme Order refers to a vehicle’s “maximum mass”. Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) is one of the terms used by the DVLA to describe a vehicles Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) or permissible maximum weight. Further information about these terms can be found on the Direct.gov website using the following link: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/WhatCanYouDriveAndYourObligations/DG_4022708.
TfL has a register of compliant and non-compliant vehicles, largely built up from data held by the DVLA. We establish the emission standard of a vehicle based on the vehicle type, date of first registration and relevant information provided by the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) and the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT). The TfL register also includes information on vehicles which have been fitted with pollution abatement equipment, have received a Reduced Pollution Certificate (RPC) or Low Emission Certificate (LEC), and meet the proposed LEZ standard. Vehicle owners can check the details we hold about their vehicle on the LEZ website using the vehicle checker, or can check their vehicle status using the vehicle type tool on the website. See http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/lez/17700.aspx#tkt-tab-panel-3
It should be noted that, as the DVLA is the government body responsible for holding/updating vehicle information, the keeper of a vehicle can approach them about correcting that vehicle’s record. Any updates to the vehicle record may impact on the vehicle’s LEZ classification and it is for this reason that we ask customers to approach the DVLA direct. Evidence to support any change, for instance a letter from the manufacturer, may be required. If the DVLA is satisfied, they will make the changes to the vehicle record and issue a revised V5 document. Leaflet ‘V100 Registering and Licensing your Motor Vehicle’, obtainable from main post offices touches on this, and how it can be done – in most cases by completing section C of the V5. This information is also outlined on the Direct.gov website which can be viewed using the following link: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/ChangesToYourRegistrationCertificate/DG_4022054
Alternatively, any owner who believes that their vehicle is incorrectly classified on the TfL register can register the vehicle directly with TfL, and provide appropriate evidence that the vehicle meets the LEZ emission standards.
If this is not the information you are looking for, or if you are unable to access it for some reason, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Please see the attached information sheet for details of your right to appeal as well as information on copyright and what to do if you would like to re-use any of the information we have disclosed.
Yours sincerely
Lee Hill
FOI Case Officer
FOI Case Management Team
General Counsel
Transport for London
END QUOTE
FURTHER INFORMATION
From the above you can see as follows
'Alternatively, any owner who believes that their vehicle is incorrectly classified on the TfL register can register the vehicle directly with TfL, and provide appropriate evidence that the vehicle meets the LEZ emission standards.'
However the Registration form makes no provision re challenging their information which puts the vehicle in the wrong category because of wrong weight information.
I therefore called them and they advised to complete the form, add a covering letter and provide photos of the weight plate from the vehicle.
I will make a separate post later about the point of getting the LEZ and German Umweltzone authorities to accept documentation proving compliance with both systems. I had a long talk to a very knowledgeable Technical Adviser at Tfl today (He even called my Polish mobile at their expense, so I think they are taking my approaches seriously). He has undertaken to write a briefing note to the LEZ Policy team, with copy to me, who will answer in writing some of my challenges to them.
I live in France, own a French registered motorhome and will be visiting the UK in April for amongst other things to visit the Peterborough show and my daughter, she lives within the LEZ so after reading all of you poor souls trials and tribs ref the LEZ thought I'd look into it a bit deeper, not really concerned as thinking being a foreigner I wouldn't be affected, in the eyes of the Tfl WRONG!
Accessed the website and found that even foreign registered vehicles are expected to be registered or pay, now whilst I think that an absolute nonsense I thought I better comply, as someone else on here pointed out the form for registration is 7 pages long and when filling it out they have omitted to mention motorhomes anywhere on the form so have to register as a van. Now my van is compliant and I'm English born and bred so was able to work my way through the formalities hopefully should be no problem but the form is in English (unlike most especially if for claiming benefits) so how is johnny foreigner going to manage, that's if they are even aware of the need to register.
I can understand the desire for cleaner air but fail to see how allowing polluting vehicles to enter the zone and pay for the privilege will help the cause!
I'm sure the reality is that any foreign registered vehicles entering the zone will effectively be ignored but for a law abiding person the threat is there and the penalties are substantial.
What efforts are they making to publicize the requirements to foreign tourists, no good waiting for them to see the signs as the department that deals with registration requires up to 10 days to process the application.
______________________________________________________________ John
I have recieved a reply from Transport for London.
The charming Rebecca advises me that the reason I an excluded is because there are no vehicle weights on my V5 and I should contact the DVLA.
This I duly did and the DVLA say that as the vehicle is a Motor Caravan, Private/light goods they are not interested in weights.
But if I want the weight registered I have to have the van weighed and send all documentation to the DVLA who will then change the V5.
Why o why if the DVLA realise the weight of a camper is irrelevant can't Transport for London.
Steve
When my Revenue was input incorrectly by the MH dealership at first registration I changed it by sending DVLA a photo of the VIN plate and amended V5c.
In any event can the charming Rebecca not accept that as DVLA have registered it as a motor Caravan and it has been placed in the PLG Tax Class that it must have a MGW of 3500kg or less?
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