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We have found a hymer 644 based on a FIAT ducato 2.5 engine that we are interested in buying. It is registered 1991 (H reg) and has a plate located in the engine compartment that quotes:
2800kg (i understand this as the MAM or gross weight)
- blank - (i understand this as the MAM plus tow weight???)
1600kg (i understand this as the front axle maximum weight)
1700kg (i understand this as the back axle maximum weight)
the DVLA documentation quotes a registered Revenue Weight of 3100kg
the vehicle has been fitted with a tow bar/scooter rack and maybe the DVLA documentation and/or plates have not been updated
can anybody advice if this is normal/ok for the plate and DVLA documentation to be different and whether all we need to do is weight the vehicle and update the DVLA documentation/plates
has anybody got any experience/information of replating this kind of vehicle so that its MAM is 3500; can the ducato handle this? please note we are not interested in replating it higher than this due to drivers licence limitations (we dont have a C1 for vehicles over 3500)
thanks in advance for any help, we are very excited about purchasing this vehicle but want to be clear on the weight/payload issue...
rico and jo
Re: weight - plates vs DVLA revenue weight - help on hymer 6
We have found a hymer 644 based on a FIAT ducato 2.5 engine that we are interested in buying. It is registered 1991 (H reg) and has a plate located in the engine compartment that quotes:
2800kg (i understand this as the MAM or gross weight)
- blank - (i understand this as the MAM plus tow weight???)
1600kg (i understand this as the front axle maximum weight)
1700kg (i understand this as the back axle maximum weight)
the DVLA documentation quotes a registered Revenue Weight of 3100kg
the vehicle has been fitted with a tow bar/scooter rack and maybe the DVLA documentation and/or plates have not been updated
can anybody advice if this is normal/ok for the plate and DVLA documentation to be different and whether all we need to do is weight the vehicle and update the DVLA documentation/plates
has anybody got any experience/information of replating this kind of vehicle so that its MAM is 3500; can the ducato handle this? please note we are not interested in replating it higher than this due to drivers licence limitations (we dont have a C1 for vehicles over 3500)
thanks in advance for any help, we are very excited about purchasing this vehicle but want to be clear on the weight/payload issue...
rico and jo
Hi Rico & Jo,
I've just had my Ducato 2.8JTD uprated from 3300kg to 3500kg with no medifications needed.
If you contact Sv Tech HERE they will be able to tell you what your options are.
wrote an email to them so will await a response...
should the weights on the plates match the revenue weight on the documents? Also, can someone clear the meaning of the individual axle weights? i have been told that you can add the front and back axle weight to get the maximum authorised weight (or gross wieght) i thought these were maximum for individual axle but didnt think you could load both axles to the maximum? so the question still remains: if you get stopped at a weighing station, does the police go by the plates weight or the weight registered with the dvla?
The individual axle weights are the max and that weight and should not be exceeded. The adding together of axle weights is another "Urban Myth".
I think VOSA if they check you they will go by the plated weights on the van. You are not forced to carry your V5 (Vehicle Registration Certificate).
The new V5 does not show any weights on it, well mine doesn't anyway.
We are very lucky in having a VOSA officer on facts so he will most likely put me right if I ain't quite got it right.
DVLA are notorious for getting things wrong, so the weight on your V5 could be an error.
Usually when a vehicle is uprated the new plate is put alongside the original manufacturers plate. I think the vans with the Alko chassis have two Vin plates.
I've just had my van uprated and the new plate is alongside the original one.
If you do uprate don't forget to contact your insurers.
mmm still not clear on this... if our front axle is 1700kg and our back axle is 1600kg does that mean that the van can carry 1700+1600kg so long as they are distributed in that way across the axles? thanks for everyones patience on this.. but we are just trying to get our head round it
......The new V5 does not show any weights on it, well mine doesn't anyway.
Don
Just under the body type there is a space for the gross revenue weight is that blank on yours Don
Frank
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mmm still not clear on this... if our front axle is 1700kg and our back axle is 1600kg does that mean that the van can carry 1700+1600kg so long as they are distributed in that way across the axles? thanks for everyones patience on this.. but we are just trying to get our head round it
rico and jo
No you must not exceed the MAM nor can you exceed an axle weight.
Frank
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mmm still not clear on this... if our front axle is 1700kg and our back axle is 1600kg does that mean that the van can carry 1700+1600kg so long as they are distributed in that way across the axles? thanks for everyones patience on this.. but we are just trying to get our head round it
rico and jo
Hi,
If you go to the max on each axle, that's 3300kg you will be 500kg over your MAM/GVW of 2800kg
The sum of both axles must not exceed 2800 kg. IE front 1350kg and rear 1450kg added together they come to 2800kg your MAM/GVW
rico_n_jo wrote……
2800kg (i understand this as the MAM or gross weight)
- blank - (i understand this as the MAM plus tow weight???)
1600kg (i understand this as the front axle maximum weight)
1700kg (i understand this as the back axle maximum weight)
The higher weight is, as you quite rightly state, the Maximum Authorised Mass (or Gross Vehicle Weight, or, Maximum Permitted Weight - whatever you wish to call it these days) and must never be exceeded. It's an offence to do so. The axle weights are also as you show them - they never, or very rarely, add up to the same figure as the MAM, this allows for weight distribution, but, again, individual axle weights must not be exceeded.
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Don wrote….
I think VOSA if they check you they will go by the plated weights on the van
Don is quite right, when we weigh a vehicle we go by what is shown on the VIN plate - after all, that's what the manufacturer, in consultation with the Type Approval people have decided is the design (safe) weight for that vehicle - Before anyone flames me - yes, I do know that a lot of vehicles are underplated, a lot depends on the tyres, suspension etc. fitted to the particular model of whichever vehicle you have.
As an example my old Peugeot Boxer 1.9TD was plated at 3,100 kg whilst my Fiat Ducato 2.8TD (same vehicle, different badge and engin0 was plated at 3,500 kg. OK, the suspension on the Fiat was beefed up, two leaves in the rear spring, not one as on the Pug, so you see what I mean.
Some vehicles, such as Don's and probably a host of others, can be up-plated without having to do anything to them apart from changing the ViN plate, but check with people such as SV before thinking about doing it.
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