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Just a quick census of experiences please
I am looking at the Swift Voyager 680FB which is on a Fiat Maxi chassis
Do I need the 3.0 litre engine for this van or is the 2.3 litre suffice?
I would like to occasionally tow a trailer weighting about 900 kg
Last edited by MrGaz on Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:46 pm; edited 1 time in total
Allegedly all Fiat 2.3 models have the judder issue resolved at production line stage. As I understand it the 3 litre still suffers from judder but Fiat state there is no problem. The Comfortmatic gearbox version on the 3 litre engine is reputedly fine. I would not buy a 3 litre manual gearbox unless or until Fiat acknowledge the existence of the problem and produce a fix.
I dont wish to cause an argument but you can't generalize with this issue, as all that will happen is Fiat will take no notice of the people that do have a problem.
We have a voyager 680FB with the 2.3 engine and it is great, although my garage owning friend wants me to get it chipped! It also has cruise control which I would not do without.
It is a very comfortable and roomy mh.
dave and sheena
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I dont wish to cause an argument but you can't generalize with this issue, as all that will happen is Fiat will take no notice of the people that do have a problem.
Steve
Is that right? I've only experienced one and that was unbelievably bad. I challenged the Fiat representative at the NEC and he claimed never to have heard of the problem even though there are many members on various motorhome forums that have complained. Evidence of early clutch failure is now beginning to emerge.
As the original poster is asking for advice I thought he should be aware of the problem so that he can do some further research and make an informed decision.
If all 2.3 litre owners had kept quiet do you honestly believe Fiat would have come forward with a fix? I don't think so.
Hi There Ive got the New 3 litre engine in my Autotrail,Been to spain and morocco twice,reversed up hills and slopes,Not had any judder at all,The 3 litre pulls far better than the 2.3 and the fuel consumption isnt that much more than my fathers 2.3 Autotrail,Hope this post helps,kind regards Satis
I dont wish to cause an argument but you can't generalize with this issue, as all that will happen is Fiat will take no notice of the people that do have a problem.
Steve
Is that right? I've only experienced one and that was unbelievably bad. I challenged the Fiat representative at the NEC and he claimed never to have heard of the problem even though there are many members on various motorhome forums that have complained. Evidence of early clutch failure is now beginning to emerge.
As the original poster is asking for advice I thought he should be aware of the problem so that he can do some further research and make an informed decision.
If all 2.3 litre owners had kept quiet do you honestly believe Fiat would have come forward with a fix? I don't think so.
We have the 3ltr covered nearly 12000 miles 50% of that towing a trailer the engine is far better than previous 2.8 about 24.5 mpg towing. Yes there obviously are some that judder but ours I can reverse uphill with trailer and do not suffer from judder.
I have the 3.0 litre engine in my Hymer, tow a Smart car and never have any problems with mountains in Spain, flies up hills in 6th that I would have had to change down a couple of gears in my previous 2.8 JTD. Personally would go 3.0 every time.
We have a chipped 2.3 on a Burstner weighing 4 Ton and there is loads of power. Even before it was chipped it was okay.
Our fuel cunsumption is just under 26mpg but I believe that this would be better with the 3 Litre engine.
I have a Bessacar E765P 2008 3 litre. Judder is really bad in reverse, but this has been ingnored by Fiat. First clutch failed at 1478 miles. The second clutch failed at 26,000 miles, but despite being 60 years old, worked most of my life in the service and repair of vehicles, owned many motor homes without problems, but according to Fiat I am an abusive driver and its my fault!! So now I have just paid £1758 to have my van repaired ( I did have a break from the repair industry and worked as an ADI driving instructor) other than that it is a great van I opted for the 3 litre as we travel a lot and I do not believe in anything having to work hard. Had the same model van on the 2003 2.8jtd and it drove really well
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Ive got the New 3 litre engine in my Autotrail,Been to spain and morocco twice,reversed up hills and slopes,Not had any judder at all,The 3 litre pulls far better than the 2.3 and the fuel consumption isnt that much more than my fathers 2.3 Autotrail,Hope this post helps,kind regards Satis 
