[88832]

Excuse me for jumping in. the way I see it is this.
If you aquire a 7.5 tonne GVW goods vehicle,and then proceed and convert it to a "MOTORCARVAN" ,that vehicle is no longer a 7.5 goods vehicle it is a "MOTORCARAVAN". It does not carry or is able to carry goods any more.
Same applies if you do the same with a bus or coach,once converted it is a "MOTORCARAVAN". Unable to carry fare paying passengers any more.

If it is a "MOTORCARAVAN" it is a class 4 MOT
See-:VOSA, MOT Test: Fees and Appeals.

All of our vehicles started off as commercial bases they just ended up as "MOTORCARAVANS" which takes the "commercial" out of the equation.
So the bottom line is, if it is a "MOTORCARAVAN" you can drive it on a car licence :wink:

One proviso is you must not exceed the gross weight of the vehicle regardless :lol: And it must be registered as a "MOTORCARAVAN" :roll:
I await being shot down on this


Crackpot.

 

[88832]

I think you are missing the point! A "MOTORCARAVAN" is not a "GOODS"vehicle or a PSV,HGV,LGV or what ever they are calling them these days. You can drive a double decker bus if it has been converted to a "MOTORCARAVAN" on a car licence. Stop thinking about the category the vehicle "WAS" think what category the vehicle "IS" if it has been converted to "MOTORCARAVAN" that is what it "IS".
I will give you a "FACT" If you went and bought a brand new HGV/LGV tractor unit and run it on trade plates,without the fifth wheel coupling fitted, you could drive this on a car licence. Why, because it is not registered as a goods vehicle and there is no feasible way you could carry goods on or in it :lol:
I know it is confusing, but you have to relate to what the vehicle "IS"not what it "WAS"

HTH

Crackpot

 

[88832]

A car licence category B has a weight restriction of 3.5t and always has done. There are a list of exceptions to this stated in legislation, motorhomes are not covered by those exceptions.

If you can find anything regarding Motorcaravans on your licence or on the DVLA site your a good un! :lol: Look at the VOSA site, MOTORCARAVANS are classed as class 4 MOT. You are still not looking at this situation as "MOTORCARAVAN", ignore all other definitions. I think we will have to agree to disagree on this, I'm off, I've a bus to catch. :lol: :lol:

Crackpot.

Ps, check the wording= Motorcaravan, nothing else will do. :wink:

 

[88832]

Time to put this one to bed then? I have always believed that a Motorcaravan is just that. Not a HGV/LGV but a Motorcaravan. Therefore it is no longer a GOODS vehicle or whatever it was BEFORE conversion, with me so far? Providing you don't exceed the maximum designed weight of said vehicle you are well within the law 8) It all seems daft, but nonetheless true :lol:
When is a egg not a egg? When it's a motorhome :lol: :lol: :lol:


Crackpot.

 

[88832]

QUOTE:Now presumable we have contents in our motorhomes - bedding, food, clothing, water, bicycles, beach chairs etc etc - i.e. A LOAD. We will all

be aware of the maximum LOAD that we can carry.
Therfore does it not make it a goods vehicle. i.e. "'Goods vehicle' means a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to carry or haul a load." A motorhome is definately constructed or adapted to carry a load. >


No it is not :lol: It is constructed to carry people and their PERSONAL belongings and chatels, not for hire or reward ! I have said this before, if you take the goods carrying capability away from a goods vehicle, it can no longer carry goods, so therefore it is no longer a goods vehicle, personal belongings are not classed as goods :lol:
And you can drive that on a ordinary car licence, fact!
As for big cranes, you only need a ordinary car licence to DRIVE one on the public highway. You will need a CITB cert to operate the crane, but not to drive it! (I am refering to mobile cranes that move on the roads, with wheels) BECAUSE IT IS NOT A GOODS VEHICLE, it is a CRANE :lol: Take the fifth wheel coupling off a articulated tractor unit and you can drive it on a ordinary car licence, it is no longer capable of carrying goods, so is no longer classed as a goods vehicle! A MOTORCARAVAN is not a GOODS vehicle, it is a MOTORCARAVAN


Crackpot.

 

[88832]

Please have a look at this page, in particular MOTORCARAVAN and tell me where it mentions weight :lol:
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/carlgvowners/mottesting/mottestfees.htm#P28_383

A motorcaravan does NOT come under the commercial vehicle umbrella, at all, ever, never :lol: :lol: :lol:

Crackpot.

 

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QUOTE:An MOT is not a driving licence, different issue all together. When dragon bus was tested as an HGV it was issued with a class IV MOT. That was the empty shell of a bus with no seats and a MAM of 14 tonne.>

There you have just admitted your vehicle has a class 4 MOT with a MAM of 14 tonne. No question about weight there then! So it is not a PSV or HGV/LGV what is it, could it be a MOTORCARAVAN? That you can legally drive on a car licence pre or post 1997 test.
Got to go back to work, later.

Crackpot.