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Since replacing the vehicle battery on my Fiat Ducato based MH the key symbol with code under comes up on the dash from time to time. Sometimes it dissapears, on occasion it stays on until engine switched off. Once it didn't allow me to start (got around that by using the master key.)
Dealer suggested a strange ritual of inserting master key, then normal key but that didn't work.
Any suggestions please?
 

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sounds like key code recognition problems. This is related to the immobiliser.

Read my AAAAARGH Breakdown saga for the bad news!!
 

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I had this symbol on my dash(2004 model) when I went to run the engine after a 4 week lay up.
I had no idea what it meant and when I restarted the engine it wasnt on - I just assumed it was related to the low charge in the battery :eek: .
I hope its not the sign of any nasties to come.

This master key you mention - should I have one for my vehicle? Whats it look like? I have 2 keys with the van - both look the same.
 

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Key Light

We had this problem of not starting with the key light on last year, the accident immobiliser is next to the battery. On ours we just needed to push the button on the end in to reset it.

No problems since then.

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I think you will find that you need to have your keys re-coded. your dealer should have known that.have you got the code card for the vehicle, if not it will cost you £20 just for that and about £60 for the rest.

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I have contacted the original owner of my van (he bought it new) and he as said he cant remember there ever being a red key.
Can someone please confirm that there definately should be a master key with my vehicle type please (2004 Ducato) - it is a basic cab and doesnt doesnt have central locking and is fitted with an aftermarket immobiliser with a separate fob.
I would check the handbook but its in storage.

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Hi Twinky, my last comment was based on the latest Fiat and will not appy to yours. So does this still come up when you use the Master key, or only with the extra key.If both then you should have a chat with a Fiat commercial dealer and see what they say.alternatively you could also contact Glen at the dealer who advertises at the top of the page JCM. who will do his best to answer your question.

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Am I too old to need one?!

Hi all,

Can anyone advise when this "red master key" became standard issue ... if they are, that is.....

I've a 1996 Fiat Ducato 2.5TD based Swift, and as you can guess I've not had it from new, and I haven't got a red master key!

Here's hoping someone will post a reply along the lines of "Don't worry John, yours is too old"

(No "off topic" comments required on that last bit, please...! :roll: )

cheers!

john
 

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Cabby, i `ve a fiat 2007 model, i was only given 2 keys, one of which has the fob, are you saying i should have some sort of code card.
As i am part exchanging in a couple of weeks , i wont bother, but will ensure the new one has these items

Regards

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twinky said:
I have contacted the original owner of my van (he bought it new) and he as said he cant remember there ever being a red key.
Can someone please confirm that there definately should be a master key with my vehicle type please (2004 Ducato) - it is a basic cab and doesnt doesnt have central locking and is fitted with an aftermarket immobiliser with a separate fob.
I would check the handbook but its in storage.

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I think ?? UK supplied vehicles do not come with the red key

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Hi We have had 3 new motorhomes in the last 5 years (Finally found the right one now) never had a red master key just a card with a picture of a key on it and a number printed across it also saying keep this safe All our part ex dealers have never asked for anything else Tel
 

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Fiat Ducato 2004 - Sigma M30 Security Fobs

I may as well add my twopennyworth to this thread - I bought my 2004 2.3TD Ducato based Rapido last year from a dealer and it came with all the original (Brownhills) documentation including the RED Brownhills security handbook explaing the workings of the SIGMA M30 security system.

The MH came with 2 sets of Fiat keys which both had a RED security activation fob (Sigma AC110 fobs) on the keyrings. if you want to just lock the van then use the Fiat keys - if you want to activate/immobilise the van then use the RED security fob.

Within 3 weeks of acquiring the vehicle - I had a case of my 'primary' fob not de-activating the immobiliser AT A TESCOS FILLING STATION !! Fortunately I had the briefcase with all the documentation with me and, after pre-positioning a couple of bollards to stop people stacking up behind me, and after speed reading the Brownhills RED book , I tapped the PIN CODE into the mini keypad on my windscreeen ( I had been wondering what that was) and the padlock symbol cleared on my dash and I was able to start the engine.

When I got home I found that the 'backup key/fob ' worked OK - so now I'm in the process of replacing what was my primary fob. I've tried the SIGMA "re-learn your keys process" but the alarm system doesn't want to to know the duff fob - I've located a SCORPION dealer ( SIGMA got sold to TOAD who got sold to SCORPION ) and he has a AC110 fob for sale but wants £40 for a new fob - I'm checking with some other outlets but I'm going to have ot bite the bullet before the serious touring gets underway.

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Our Fiat is UK reg 1998 2.5 TD and we have a red (burgundy) key, ive just looked inside the key and there is a electronic device in it.

The black normal key I can not get into its solid.

The hand book has 2 pics 1 burgundy (A) & 1 blue keys (B) and says

" A = master key with burgundy grip

B = the key that is normally used".

Further in the hanbook are 4 full pages on "the fiat code system".

It says " (A) the burgundy grip key is the master key only one is supplied with the veichle and its needed by Fiat dealership to store the codes of the other keys (B) in the memory in the event you lose or damage a key or to order a duplicate. For this reason it should be kept in a safe place and not the the vehical".
This is in bold. "No repairs can be vehicleried out on the Fiat code system or engine control unit or injection pump if this key is lost".

Hope this helps

Chris
 
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