FIAT New Vs Old

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RichardnGill

Discussion Starter · Jun 7, 2009

As everyday there are new posts about various problems with the Fiat X250 I was wondering if any owners would actually rather go back to the old cab Fiat after having a new one.

We have a 3.0 New Fiat and I drove an old 2.8 and I could honestly say that there is no way I would have a old cab Fiat after having the new one.

We went to this Fiat from a Mk7 Transit which was totally miles better than the old Fiat IMHO and very similar to the new Fiat. The 3.0 will cruise at 2,000 RPM at just under 70 MPH with ease and very quiet.

We must have been luck with the judder so far as all I can get ours to do is vibrate a bit if you labour it enough in reverse, that is with a 5,000Kg tag on a gravel up hill.

Just wondering what other people thoughts were.

Richard...

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GerryD

· #2 · Jun 7, 2009

Not in a million years would I contemplate going back to the old chassis.

Now, if it were a question of motorhome or go back to a caravan. That would be a difficult question to answer.
Gerry

Zebedee

· #3 · Jun 7, 2009

GerryD said:
Not in a million years would I contemplate going back to the old chassis.
Gerry

Me neither, but I haven't voted as ours is a Peugeot.

Same difference though - well almost! :?

Dave

(P.S. The caravan question? Definitely not at the moment, but who knows what the future might bring!)

Rapide561

· #4 · Jun 7, 2009

MultiJet

I am sticking with my MultiJet.

The first Kontiki was a 2.8 and I thought the engine was great. The next Kontiki was on a 3.0 MultiJet - it was the dog's danglies. For a month, I borrowed a Burstner with a 2.8 - I had forgotten how slow and sluggish it was compared to the MultiJet. Saying that, it was a good old tool. Back with a MultiJet again....so my vote is to stick.

Russell

ytank

· #5 · Jun 7, 2009

ill keep mine thanks and i only have the 2.3 130 bhp

and i tow a fiesta with it i must add that its been re mapped

113016

· #6 · Jun 7, 2009

Looks like I am the odd one out

I very much like the new look cabs, however I would not even think about changing my 2004 model for the new shape until juddergate is sorted out and even then I would be worried of buying one that has not been fixed properly. I would only then consider one that had a new type gearbox FACTORY fitted.
I do really feel for you guys that have the new shape as it must be a worry.

RichardnGill

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jun 7, 2009

Everyone has there own opinion Grath but are you just making a decision based on what you have read?

I was more interested to see if many people who had the new one would be willing to go back to the old one. Obviously once you have had a new one you are in a far better position to make a decision.

So far no one would want to go back to the old one?

Richard

113016

· #8 · Jun 7, 2009

RichardnGill said:
Everyone has there own opinion Grath but are you just making a decision based on what you have read?

I was more interested to see if many people who had the new one would be willing to go back to the old one. Obviously once you have had a new one you are in a far better position to make a decision.

So far no one would want to go back to the old one?

Richard

Hi RichardnGill,
I understand and yes I have read much and I did say that I like the looks of the new shape, although I have not driven one, but I could not afford to take any chance with my hard earned money and I would have to have as near to 100% faith in a product to spend that much money.
I really do hope that they all get sorted as in the future I may want to buy a used new shape, but as things are at the moment, I would not

I appreciate that the new shape are probably a better drive and a more car like drive, but the older shape is well proved.
Each to their own

Rainbow-Chasers

· #9 · Jun 7, 2009

You are not alone! We are refusing to renew our fleet because of the problems with the new models - our current fleet are very well maintained and spotless, the highest mileage is currently 30k doing mainly local miles with the low carbon drive.

We have a strong beleif in not putting customers in the position of hiring, and something going wrong on what could be - for all we know!- the only holiday they get in a year! And for that reason, we keep with the older, more reliable model!

People pay their money and we give them a holiday to remember in an immaculate vehicle albeit a couple of years old - far better than saving all year and ending up on the back of a tow truck. If we had dozens of vehicles then we could have spares, but most of the time ours are always out!

Hezbez

· #10 · Jun 19, 2009

Interesting poll.

We cannot comment on the old chassis as we've never had one, but our 100bhp, 5 speed X250 has so far been excellent.

We've just returned from a 2500 mile trip in France without a single hitch. Very comfortable cab, plenty of power and good fuel economy (30.7mpg averaged over the whole trip). No reverse judder problems either.

94055

· #11 · Jun 20, 2009

We had a fiat 1.9jtd my was that hard work, hit a hill and down to 1st on a steep one.
then 2.8 on coachbuilt and then on A class, drove well and no problems.

Now have the new Fiat x250 and what a drive, it is a dream. The problem is you creep up the speed without noticing at times.

Judder, slightly on normal take off and reverse, but the question was

Yes and I have got a new cab
No I would rather keep my new one
Would not have a Fiat

(Richard you need to change No I would rather keep my new one, to OLD ONE)

My choice is new one.

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eddied

· #12 · Jun 20, 2009

FIAT old vs. new

Ciao tutti, well I have never driven the new one, and am very happy with my 2.8JTD, which my mechanic calls the 'last of the good Fiats'.
My brother is currently driving around Spain in a brand new Bessacarr on the new Fiat, and he's also driven mine; and says the new one is brilliant and much better, except that fuel consumption is a bit higher than he expected.
saluti,
eddied

NJEBE

· #13 · Jun 20, 2009

New Fiat

Hi all,
Two months ago we changed our motorhome form the old 2.3 JTD Fiat Elnagh, to a new Fiat 2.3 mutijet 6 speed, Auto Trail Tracker EKS, I so far think the Fiat is more powerful, responsive, car like drive but does use a little more fuel, but the engine is still very new, there is a little vibration in reverse but nothing to worry about,and I would stick with the new Fiat
regards
John

1happy

· #14 · Jun 20, 2009

Old v New Fiat

Hi.
Sorry to be negative

I have voted 'Would not have a Fiat'
I used to have one but having lived through 'Scuttlegate' & all the associated recalls 8O from the beginning & then the 'judder' with the "questionable fixes"

but .... I have to say the biggest problem was customer dis-services. :evil:
If there had been a question for 'had one but never again' then that would get my vote.
I am not wishing to start an argument or spoil your thread, but you asked for votes & I am concerned that some people may rush out & buy one & possibly regret it if members like me don't post.
I know some other members have got rid of theirs, but are probably managing more successfully than me to 'never talk about fiat again'

Best wishes C

Jean-Luc

· #15 · Jun 20, 2009

Many refer to the X250 as car-like, but its nor a car is it, it should be a light truck/van for the duties it's called upon to undertake.
A member of our local FIAT dealership remarked to a friend as he was being dropped home after leaving his 2006 2.8 in for service that 'the new model was nothing but trouble and advised him that if he was thinking of changing not to do so until it was well sorted out'.
I have a 2.8 Power (147 bhp), unfortunately never available in RHD, which 'drives like a car' in that you can go up the gearbox to cruising in 5th. at about 80Kmph and has masses of torque from 1500rpm to amble along car-like, but its 'feel' is definitely more truck than car which is probably better as after all it's pulling around the best part of 4 tonnes.
IMHO FIAT can keep their dual mass flywheels, soft engine mountings, overly heigh gearing and the other stuff that blocks the 'feel' of what is going on mechanically, as in the case of operating a vehicle, ignorance of what is going on is definitely NOT bliss.

Colin

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