My Multi jet 100 2.2 has a ford engine!

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jennieb

Discussion Starter · Jun 4, 2009

I have just got the letter from Fiat to say they can fix my juddering motorhome (Great) so I took it to my local dealer who looked under the bonnet and said "you have a Ford engine!" he had to get back to fiat because according to them the ford engine does not have this judder problem...Funny that, because each time I try to reverse up my tiny incline on my drive it judders and shakes and black smoke comes out of the exhaust!! He called me back today and said that he has got to test drive it and record the outcome and report back to Fiat. He also said I will need to have an engine reprogram (apparently this can go wrong) but it might cure the judder!
And to top it all it has an oil leak (I think its oil) coming from the gearbox area.
It was registered in 2008 its done 4,000 miles and has had numerous ingress fixes, a new alternator and a new starter motor so far.. Is it normal to have a Ford engine in a Fiat ducato?

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lufc

· #2 · Jun 4, 2009

Are you sure he did'nt say "Can you AFFORD a new engine"

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106559

· #3 · Jun 4, 2009

A Ford gearbox wouldn't go amiss!!

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Rosbotham

· #4 · Jun 4, 2009

It's a complicated web and doubtless someone will explain this better.

As I understand it the 2.2 in the Peugeot is an engine developed jointly with Ford, mated to a different gearbox to that used in Ford (I think the 5 speed used by Peugeot/Fiat). It's probably got different ancillaries as well, because there's a coolant pipe across the top of the engine that fractures...haven't read anything similar about Fords. I read somewhere that Fiat have started using that engine and abandoned the 2.3 for new build.

The Peugeot 2.2 with 5 speed has been known to judder, but I believe not to the extent of the Fiat. Mine has a slight judder, but nothing that can't be controlled by giving it a bit of welly. Peugeot offer an engine management upgrade as routine, modified gearbox if pushed (I'm not concerned enough to demand the latter on mine).

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oilslick

· #5 · Jun 5, 2009

my 2.8 fiat is a ford too!!

Whilst lying underneath my 2005 2.8 engine one day (as you do!) I happened to notice that the block had "ford" cast into it...

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tramp

· #6 · Jun 5, 2009

hi all
ford and the PSA group have had a long line of collaberation on the diesel front, basically PSA make great diesels but Ford tweak the cylinder head department, :roll:

Even the jag 3.0 twin turbo diesel is a PSA engine as in the 407 coupe :lol:

most manufacturese these days share parts just change the colour and a new badge plus the price difference

tramp

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1happy

· #7 · Jun 5, 2009

Multi jet -New Altenator & Starter motor!!!!!!!!

jennieb said:
It was registered in 2008 its done 4,000 miles and has had numerous ingress fixes, a new alternator and a new starter motor so far.. Is it normal to have a Ford engine in a Fiat ducato?

Hi jennieb.
I have to ask Re the above.....
Do you know why you needed the above replacing? Was it due to rust/water damage from the ingress ?
I ask because our (ex) 4 month old Multijet had rust on the Altenator & the 'ingress' was a real concern with regards to damage done to this & other components prior to its discovery.
The Altenator has also been a question on the Database/Spreadsheet thread (from day one) & many people didn't know or hadn't checked if it was rusty.
I am glad you had these item's replaced under warranty (I presume

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But think it important to clarify for the possible future benefit of other owners 8)
Regards Catherine

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GerryD

· #8 · Jun 5, 2009

All of the current model Ducato/Boxer engines are made by Ford. This includes the 3.0litre, but that is often badged Iveco. Ford own Iveco. Most of the engines are made in Dagenham.
Gerry

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AberdeenAngus

· #9 · Jun 5, 2009

My Aprilia has a Yamaha engine and loads of BMW bits. All as standard.
Lots of motor manufacturers buy & sell bits to each other via collaborations, joint ventures etc

Expect to see more of it with everything that's been going on in the industry.

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Rosbotham

· #10 · Jun 5, 2009

tramp said:
Even the jag 3.0 twin turbo diesel is a PSA engine as in the 407 coupe :lol:

OT but slight correction, it's a 2.7....3.0 is the petrol engine. The 2.7 is a cracking engine, though...

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jennieb

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jun 5, 2009

Hi Catherine (1 Happy)
With regards to the water ingress.
I have had the scuttle changed, a cover put over the engine, the windscreen re sealed and the engine comartment re sealed,
I had a squealing noise (it was very load and very scary and extreamly embarassing) coming from the left hand side of the engine but this only happened when the van had been in heavy rain, I managed to record it on my mobile and showed it my fiat dealer. They came to the conclusion that it was either the alternator or the starter motor so changed the alternator first then last week it made the same sound so booked it in and they fitted a new starter motor (all under warranty)
We are away in it next week so will let you know if it has been cured.
Regards Jen :?

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