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Interesting discussion on BBC Breakfast this mornig about concerns raised by the AA about the perceived safey of Smart Motorways;

the AA reported that more then 55% regard Smart Motorways as the most dangerous roads and will not use the 4th lane (aka hard shoulder) even when it is posted as open - there are many concerns about the spacing of the refuges - according to the Highways Authority they ae supposed to be every 1.5 miles but AA research shows that drivers will only go a maximum of 0.5 miles when their car breaks down.

The Highways Authority and Transport Deprtment say there are considerations to make the refuges every 1.0 mile but that if you are in one you no longer are regarded as an emergency .......

Have any of our members any experience of these expensive and often inaccurate systems?

How far would you be prepared to limp along in a duff MH (if you can at all.....)?

It all comes down to cost - there is not the finance available to provide the extra lane needed for traffic flow so te Smart system looks as if it might help.....

but does it?

There are a very large number f adverse reports that the introduction of the system has ONLY resulted in a massive number of motorists now being charged with speeding offences due to the very frequent cameras...

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cameras on roads are there to police the traffic and fine anyone that is breaking the law

how else are they going to recoup the cost of all the systems that are in place to keep us in tow

just look at all the cameras and over head signs at bagshot camberley on the m3


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I have little faith in 'smart' anythings so far.
Smart Televisions ..................... why.
Smart light and heat controls ..... why?
Smart cars so far do things no one wants.

Gimmee an example of a smart useful item.

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Its all about cost. Its cheaper to make the hard shoulder a lane. People will and have been killed due to that choice and more will be.
It doesn't make any sense from a safety perspective this is just about saving money.
And its the public who vote for their MPs and the political parties and its those parties that attempt to deliver the will of the people (lower taxes) by trading lives for more speed on the motorway.
Improved traffic flow is proven by using variable speed limits but the public hate to be told to slow down. So instead we trade a safety feature to retain the highest speed we can.
 
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My experience is that lower speed limits do not improve traffic flow. If they did why do 50 limits in roadworks (3 lanes at 70 limit going into 3 lanes at a 50 limit) cause such big queues? Smart motorways are a cheap way of increasing capacity but reduce safety. Not only do hardshoulders provide a safer refuge for broken down cars but also an access route for emergency vehicles.

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My experience is that lower speed limits do not improve traffic flow. If they did why do 50 limits in roadworks (3 lanes at 70 limit going into 3 lanes at a 50 limit) cause such big queues? Smart motorways are a cheap way of increasing capacity but reduce safety. Not only do hardshoulders provide a safer refuge for broken down cars but also an access route for emergency vehicles.

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it's called the Accordian Effect - info here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accordion_effect. it has very little to do with traffic volume but driver reactions to the car in front which propagates back through the traffic to create stoppages further back. if drivers learned how to a) space themselves correctly from the car in front, and b) stopped bloody reacting to every little issue and braking for no need then traffic flow would be much smoother.

and roadworks have lower speed limits for worker safety not vehicle safety
 

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and roadworks have lower speed limits for worker safety not vehicle safety
Not according to the Highways Agency. They kept many speed limits in place at unworked motorway road work sites over the Christmas period because of narrow lanes etc.

It is interesting that it is proposed to increase the default speed limit through motorway road work sites from 50mph to 60mph. https://news.sky.com/story/motorway-roadworks-speed-limit-could-be-increased-to-60mph-11090874

At a stroke of a pen what was unsafe suddenly becomes safe. Hard shoulder running, road work speed limits, HGV speed limit increased on single carriageway NSL roads, allowing vehicles of 4250kg GVW to be driven on a B Licence [if powered by alternative fuels] etc.
 

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Whereas in la belle France speed limits are to be reduced at a stroke w.e.f. July 1st.
I'm thinking of getting a Voiture sans Permis for travelling through France as it will soon be able to keep up with the flow. I read that it is possible to drive one from 14 years old and also if you have lost your Permis due to a violations such as drink driving.
 

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Well would you believe it "Highways England will STOP building 'smart' motorways without permanent hard shoulders as boss admits they are not working because they're 'too complicated'"

They also admit that "40, 50 or 60mph limits were being set before congestion mounted on 'smart motorways' in England, using predictions about traffic levels."
"Data has showed that 72,348 people were fined on motorways with variable speed limits last year. This was almost double the number a year earlier and a tenfold rise in five years. Of those, two thirds of fines were handed out to motorists travelling at 69mph or below, even though the national speed limit is 70mph."

I wondered why you can cruise round a non smart bit of the M25 at 70mph but as soon as you get to a smart section the limit is set to 60mph or lower. Now I know that it is because the computer said so.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-England-pulls-plug-new-smart-motorways.html
 

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Smart motorways were a dumb idea.
There have already been fatalities and the cost of the conversions is eye watering.
Too many motorways are restricted to 50MPH for years on end to convert the hard shoulder to the extra lane.
Its just madness to try and cope with the volume of traffic.
The answer:
Improve bus and rail links don't assume cars are king.
 

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Yep agree

As long as the bus and rail links are outside my home

Doesn’t require me to walk far

Because even though I want the best for the environment

My limbs would never make it

As many others find

But on a cheerful note

I’m not challenging the environment as far as travel is concerned

I rarely leave the house

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They could do with a smart road down the western side of the Peak District through Longdendale. No chance of getting a speeding fine there. I feel for the residents who cannot get through their own town on account of the unending flow of trucks and cars using that route across the Pennines. Easily a half hour hold-up through there to the Manchester Ring Road. No wonder there are signs urging frustrated motorists to support their push for a bypass. In fact it's a pain the whole way over from Worksop. Truckies going at 28mph!!! Grrr.
 

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They could do with a smart road down the western side of the Peak District through Longdendale. No chance of getting a speeding fine there. I feel for the residents who cannot get through their own town on account of the unending flow of trucks and cars using that route across the Pennines. Easily a half hour hold-up through there to the Manchester Ring Road. No wonder there are signs urging frustrated motorists to support their push for a bypass. In fact it's a pain the whole way over from Worksop. Truckies going at 28mph!!! Grrr.
The money to pay for the upgrade of motorways to smart ones has been at the expense of the trunk road network which has had minimal investment.
 
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