[fent]

smart arse!!!!! :lol:

 

[krull]

Why is it so wrong to dump grey waste water on the road? Here's my take on the subject: -

Grey waste water contains soap (from our bathrooms and washing up water from our kitchens). Dumping it on the road means dumping soap (and other things of course) on the road.

krull - "many of us don't see a problem" - the problem is that soap is slippery, so what you are effectively doing is making the road surface slippery. I'm sure MHF members who are also cyclists and motorcyclists might want a word about that!

Ever ridden a bike over a puddle of rain water and noticed how you get splashed by it? How would like ride over a puddle of someones washing water and get splashed by that!

krull - "This method was recommended to me by a my dealer" - Your dealer is an idiot, please name and shame.

krull - "If you wild camp or use CL's, you have no alternative" - So you dump all your rubbish out the window as you're going along do you? Or do you wait till you get home or find a bin to put it in?

Dumping grey waste on the road as you're going along is a disgusting habbit as well as dangerous to other road users as I've pointed out above. Lets have a bit more consideration can we and empty it down a drain.

Just a couple of observations:

I cycle about 100 miles per week and motorcycle about 10,000 mles per year. Thank you very much. Riding over dribbles of grey waste does not concern me in the least. As for dangerous, a trifle melodramatic I suggest.

As for CL's, they are required as a registration criteria to provide a minimum facility of a bin and a toilet dump facility. This can be a pit in a corner of a field so cannot be driven near. I have never seen a MH grey waste dump at a CL. Yes I could buy a waste master, but I consider them too bulky for occasional use.

If you don't fancy dumping on the road, well done, give yourself a pat on the back. But not all of us spend all our time on CC sites where such facilities are available, nor do we have facilities at home either.

 

[SaddleTramp]

It is not as bad as some make out, Read This :- http://www.goselfsufficient.co.uk/using-grey-water-in-your-home.html

 

[Codfinger]

Grey water

While we were at the Blois aire this year I watched 2 Italien vans emptying their toilet cassetes down the grey water point then using the fresh water pipe to wash them out...........yuck

 

[Carl_n_Flo]

Why does it seem to be just Italian vans?

Noticed the same thing happening on a site in Salzburg over new year. The poor site owner was tearing what little hair he had left out trying to educate them in the fine art of emptying and cleaning wc and waste tanks.

It seems that 'most' Italian vans are hired (I would say that over 75% of the vans on the site in Salzburg were hired and we were the only non Italian there!!), and that the hirers are not educated properly by the hire companies in the arts of motorhome use and etiquette.

Why do I think they were hired? Because they all had large stickers on them advertising the hire agency......

Carl

 

[DTPCHEMICALS]

And we wonder why car parks have height barriers and no aires in this country.

Minority selfish b`stards spoil everythig for the majority.

Dave p

 

[Codfinger]

grey water

Why does it seem to be just Italian vans?

Noticed the same thing happening on a site in Salzburg over new year. The poor site owner was tearing what little hair he had left out trying to educate them in the fine art of emptying and cleaning wc and waste tanks.

It seems that 'most' Italian vans are hired (I would say that over 75% of the vans on the site in Salzburg were hired and we were the only non Italian there!!), and that the hirers are not educated properly by the hire companies in the arts of motorhome use and etiquette.

Why do I think they were hired? Because they all had large stickers on them advertising the hire agency......

Carl

Come to think of it they were hire vans, they were very noisey too :roll:

 

[karlb]

Why is it so wrong to dump grey waste water on the road? Here's my take on the subject: -

Grey waste water contains soap (from our bathrooms and washing up water from our kitchens). Dumping it on the road means dumping soap (and other things of course) on the road.

krull - "many of us don't see a problem" - the problem is that soap is slippery, so what you are effectively doing is making the road surface slippery. I'm sure MHF members who are also cyclists and motorcyclists might want a word about that!

Ever ridden a bike over a puddle of rain water and noticed how you get splashed by it? How would like ride over a puddle of someones washing water and get splashed by that!

krull - "This method was recommended to me by a my dealer" - Your dealer is an idiot, please name and shame.

krull - "If you wild camp or use CL's, you have no alternative" - So you dump all your rubbish out the window as you're going along do you? Or do you wait till you get home or find a bin to put it in?

Dumping grey waste on the road as you're going along is a disgusting habbit as well as dangerous to other road users as I've pointed out above. Lets have a bit more consideration can we and empty it down a drain.

Just a couple of observations:

I cycle about 100 miles per week and motorcycle about 10,000 mles per year. Thank you very much. Riding over dribbles of grey waste does not concern me in the least. As for dangerous, a trifle melodramatic I suggest.

As for CL's, they are required as a registration criteria to provide a minimum facility of a bin and a toilet dump facility. This can be a pit in a corner of a field so cannot be driven near. I have never seen a MH grey waste dump at a CL. Yes I could buy a waste master, but I consider them too bulky for occasional use.

If you don't fancy dumping on the road, well done, give yourself a pat on the back. But not all of us spend all our time on CC sites where such facilities are available, nor do we have facilities at home either.

in your selfish world where grey water is not a issue what do you do with your general rubbish and toilet waste?

 

[krull]

Why is it so wrong to dump grey waste water on the road? Here's my take on the subject: -

Grey waste water contains soap (from our bathrooms and washing up water from our kitchens). Dumping it on the road means dumping soap (and other things of course) on the road.

krull - "many of us don't see a problem" - the problem is that soap is slippery, so what you are effectively doing is making the road surface slippery. I'm sure MHF members who are also cyclists and motorcyclists might want a word about that!

Ever ridden a bike over a puddle of rain water and noticed how you get splashed by it? How would like ride over a puddle of someones washing water and get splashed by that!

krull - "This method was recommended to me by a my dealer" - Your dealer is an idiot, please name and shame.

krull - "If you wild camp or use CL's, you have no alternative" - So you dump all your rubbish out the window as you're going along do you? Or do you wait till you get home or find a bin to put it in?

Dumping grey waste on the road as you're going along is a disgusting habbit as well as dangerous to other road users as I've pointed out above. Lets have a bit more consideration can we and empty it down a drain.

Just a couple of observations:

I cycle about 100 miles per week and motorcycle about 10,000 mles per year. Thank you very much. Riding over dribbles of grey waste does not concern me in the least. As for dangerous, a trifle melodramatic I suggest.

As for CL's, they are required as a registration criteria to provide a minimum facility of a bin and a toilet dump facility. This can be a pit in a corner of a field so cannot be driven near. I have never seen a MH grey waste dump at a CL. Yes I could buy a waste master, but I consider them too bulky for occasional use.

If you don't fancy dumping on the road, well done, give yourself a pat on the back. But not all of us spend all our time on CC sites where such facilities are available, nor do we have facilities at home either.

in your selfish world where grey water is not a issue what do you do with your general rubbish and toilet waste?

I find the nearest primary school and dump it in the playground :roll:

READ THE POST

 

[karlb]

Why is it so wrong to dump grey waste water on the road? Here's my take on the subject: -

Grey waste water contains soap (from our bathrooms and washing up water from our kitchens). Dumping it on the road means dumping soap (and other things of course) on the road.

krull - "many of us don't see a problem" - the problem is that soap is slippery, so what you are effectively doing is making the road surface slippery. I'm sure MHF members who are also cyclists and motorcyclists might want a word about that!

Ever ridden a bike over a puddle of rain water and noticed how you get splashed by it? How would like ride over a puddle of someones washing water and get splashed by that!

krull - "This method was recommended to me by a my dealer" - Your dealer is an idiot, please name and shame.

krull - "If you wild camp or use CL's, you have no alternative" - So you dump all your rubbish out the window as you're going along do you? Or do you wait till you get home or find a bin to put it in?

Dumping grey waste on the road as you're going along is a disgusting habbit as well as dangerous to other road users as I've pointed out above. Lets have a bit more consideration can we and empty it down a drain.

Just a couple of observations:

I cycle about 100 miles per week and motorcycle about 10,000 mles per year. Thank you very much. Riding over dribbles of grey waste does not concern me in the least. As for dangerous, a trifle melodramatic I suggest.

As for CL's, they are required as a registration criteria to provide a minimum facility of a bin and a toilet dump facility. This can be a pit in a corner of a field so cannot be driven near. I have never seen a MH grey waste dump at a CL. Yes I could buy a waste master, but I consider them too bulky for occasional use.

If you don't fancy dumping on the road, well done, give yourself a pat on the back. But not all of us spend all our time on CC sites where such facilities are available, nor do we have facilities at home either.

in your selfish world where grey water is not a issue what do you do with your general rubbish and toilet waste?

I find the nearest primary school and dump it in the playground :roll:

READ THE POST

that cant be healthy, do you use any schools or just primary schools?

 

[tony50]

Grey water discharge

Neare to home we were on a c&c site on the Devon coast , we saw tenters emptying elsons down grey water drains and washing it out with the fresh water tap , another camper /m/her/ caravanner ,whoever ,put washing in washing machine, I said you left a towel out , she replied I only packed one towel by mistake, for 4 of us ,it's wet and I am going to tumble dry it ! How I did'nt say something to her I don't know.

 

[eddied]

Grey/black dumping in Italy by Italians

Ciao tutti,
just a quick word here in defence of Italian motorhomers. You are right, many of them are in hired motorhomes, many of them are noisy, selfish, and badly educated in the niceties of considerate motorhoming. Just like many of their British, French, Spanish or whatever counterparts.
However, you will find that many Italian motorhomes, especially older Rimor, Roller team, and Laika models, have what is called a 'marine' toilet; i.e. no casette, but a holding tank. Consequently many aree di sosta; both municipal, private, or on motorways; are designed so that both black and grey waster are dumped down a single central grill. In these cases a hosepipe is generally also available to rinse the whole setup thoroughly, which often can also be the drinking water supply. And of course you dump your black waste casette there too. Italian motorhomers, I know from personal experience, often assume that all over Europe it's the same design/method of use.
Just a tip for using the hosepipe to fill up with fresh water - give it a thorough wipe over with a Dettol floor cleaning wipe before use as fresh water supply.
saluti,
eddied
edit : take a look at recently inserted foto of Gubbio area attrezzata in campsite database, and you will see what I mean

 

[DTPCHEMICALS]

Thanks to one of the above i had a wet pitch to put my sons tent on a few years ago.Smelly with food bits all over

Simple If you do not fancy camping on others waste

Do not leave any yourself.


dave p

 

[erneboy]

EddieD, thanks for that explanation.

The aire at Canterbury, in common with many others, has only one grille for disposal of toilet waste and grey water. It is possible to lift the grid so that the toilet waste can be poured directly down the manhole. Most do not lift the grille, it is not clear that it can be lifted. There are no handles or hinges and you need to have gloves and to be fairly strong, there is potential for dropping the grille into what is a deep manhole or for trapping your fingers or toes. Taking the design into account I am sure the council did not intend users to lift the grille, yet those who do not could be accused of making a disgusting mess. It was not very well designed by someone who did not fully understand what it would be used for.

I suspect that often when we see disposal of one sort or another which we do not like it is simply because some people have not understood how a particular facility is meant to work. There is little standardisation and usually few or no signs.

As to the van emptying along the road, I would not do it but I do put grey waste directly into a storm drain if I cannot find an aire.

All this correctness makes the unlikely assumption that each toilet disposal facility is connected to a mains sewer or a septic tank and that the grey water is is sent to the sewer or a soak away or that both are put into holding tanks which are regularly emptied and disposed of in an approved manner or that, as long as it looks tidy we do not care about the mechanics of disposal. Although exactly how a mixture of toilet and grey waste can be disposed of in an environmentally friendly manner defeats me. The detergents and cleaning products from a grey water tank would impair the operation of a septic tank preventing toilet waste breaking down and clogging the tank.

I come down somewhere between the two extremes reflected here, Alan.

 

[SaddleTramp]

I once inadvertently left my waste open, I was camping in Bolzano and the emptying grille was at the bottom of a nice incline just in front of the reception, Nice I thought a great place to ensure my tank is totally emptied and reversed up to it with nose up the hill and opened the tap.
Whilst waiting for it to empty I went to the reception and paid up, I was about fourth in a queue and when I came out there was another unit waiting to use the drain, I forgot about the tap totally and jumped in and of we went.
We got up to Lindau on Lake Contstanz and parked up, We had lunch and then I had a shower, later on I went around the back to get a fresh bottle of wine and noticed water dripping from waste pipe, I immediately realised what I had done ( or Not Done ) and closed the tap, It was a stupid mistake and I felt bl**dy awful about it.

 

[Phillip]

Why is it so wrong to dump grey waste water on the road? Here's my take on the subject: -

Grey waste water contains soap (from our bathrooms and washing up water from our kitchens). Dumping it on the road means dumping soap (and other things of course) on the road.

krull - "many of us don't see a problem" - the problem is that soap is slippery, so what you are effectively doing is making the road surface slippery. I'm sure MHF members who are also cyclists and motorcyclists might want a word about that!

Ever ridden a bike over a puddle of rain water and noticed how you get splashed by it? How would like ride over a puddle of someones washing water and get splashed by that!

krull - "This method was recommended to me by a my dealer" - Your dealer is an idiot, please name and shame.

krull - "If you wild camp or use CL's, you have no alternative" - So you dump all your rubbish out the window as you're going along do you? Or do you wait till you get home or find a bin to put it in?

Dumping grey waste on the road as you're going along is a disgusting habbit as well as dangerous to other road users as I've pointed out above. Lets have a bit more consideration can we and empty it down a drain.

Just a couple of observations:

I cycle about 100 miles per week and motorcycle about 10,000 mles per year. Thank you very much. Riding over dribbles of grey waste does not concern me in the least. As for dangerous, a trifle melodramatic I suggest.

As for CL's, they are required as a registration criteria to provide a minimum facility of a bin and a toilet dump facility. This can be a pit in a corner of a field so cannot be driven near. I have never seen a MH grey waste dump at a CL. Yes I could buy a waste master, but I consider them too bulky for occasional use.

If you don't fancy dumping on the road, well done, give yourself a pat on the back. But not all of us spend all our time on CC sites where such facilities are available, nor do we have facilities at home either.

The point I was making is that grey waste is "rubbish" and should be disposed of in the same way as any other rubbish that we collect on our travels i.e. deposited in the appropriate place.

You wouldn't drive along throwing rubbish out the window (I hope 8O ) so why drive along throwing rubbish out the grey waste tank.

Next time you come off your bike through slipping on something, have a think about what it might have been that made the road slippery - soap or fat or cooking oil out of someones grey waste tank perhaps!

 

[Spacerunner]

First rule of motorhoming...come and go and only leave your tyre prints.

Failure to do the above will lead to towns and villages not wanting to have us anywhere near them.

 

[Jean-Luc]

I agree that dumping grey water on the public road is a disgusting habit, maybe not unlike picking ones nose or fa@*ing in public.
BUT, compared to the cocktail of crap which emanates from vehicles travelling the roads (soot, rubber dust, brake dust, oil, grease, etc.) and what is washed by the rain from our polluted air, I reckon what results from washing my arm pits or the breakfast dishes is pretty harmless. In fact the soap/detergents it containes might even help to neutralise the afore mentioned crap.

 

[SaddleTramp]

Why is it so wrong to dump grey waste water on the road? Here's my take on the subject: -

Grey waste water contains soap (from our bathrooms and washing up water from our kitchens). Dumping it on the road means dumping soap (and other things of course) on the road.

krull - "many of us don't see a problem" - the problem is that soap is slippery, so what you are effectively doing is making the road surface slippery. I'm sure MHF members who are also cyclists and motorcyclists might want a word about that!

Ever ridden a bike over a puddle of rain water and noticed how you get splashed by it? How would like ride over a puddle of someones washing water and get splashed by that!

krull - "This method was recommended to me by a my dealer" - Your dealer is an idiot, please name and shame.

krull - "If you wild camp or use CL's, you have no alternative" - So you dump all your rubbish out the window as you're going along do you? Or do you wait till you get home or find a bin to put it in?

Dumping grey waste on the road as you're going along is a disgusting habbit as well as dangerous to other road users as I've pointed out above. Lets have a bit more consideration can we and empty it down a drain.

Just a couple of observations:

I cycle about 100 miles per week and motorcycle about 10,000 mles per year. Thank you very much. Riding over dribbles of grey waste does not concern me in the least. As for dangerous, a trifle melodramatic I suggest.

As for CL's, they are required as a registration criteria to provide a minimum facility of a bin and a toilet dump facility. This can be a pit in a corner of a field so cannot be driven near. I have never seen a MH grey waste dump at a CL. Yes I could buy a waste master, but I consider them too bulky for occasional use.

If you don't fancy dumping on the road, well done, give yourself a pat on the back. But not all of us spend all our time on CC sites where such facilities are available, nor do we have facilities at home either.

The point I was making is that grey waste is "rubbish" and should be disposed of in the same way as any other rubbish that we collect on our travels i.e. deposited in the appropriate place.

You wouldn't drive along throwing rubbish out the window (I hope 8O ) so why drive along throwing rubbish out the grey waste tank.

Next time you come off your bike through slipping on something, have a think about what it might have been that made the road slippery - soap or fat or cooking oil out of someones grey waste tank perhaps!

I Don't agree with that Philip, Have you seen the VERY slippery mess at EVERY bus stop, That is caused by buses dripping Oil from their engines, an acquaintance of mine owns a Pizza shop, one of his employees went a right cropper off his bike on one.
There are many many more bus stops and buses than there will ever be Motorhomes.

I don't agree with emptying waste on public highways or any other place that is not the correct place But I think that is not a valid argument.
Also anyone that puts cooking oil in the units drains to go into the waste is asking for trouble anyway, If I have any to get rid of I use the household waste (rubbish) deposits as there is enough paper based waste to soak it up so it doesn't cause any problems, I was instructed to do this in my very early days by a site owner, I had a chip pan I wanted to empty so I asked him if he had anywhere for such waste, I was told to spread it ever the paper based waste as then it would be soaked up, at another site I was told to pour it directly down the Grey waste drain as there was no paper based waste in the bin.

But reading this thread it seems as though there are many different ideas and instructions on what to do and what not to do, It strikes me it is one of those "Grey areas".

 

[Wupert]

Interestingly a number of sites along the Med that I have used over the years ask people to empty their grey waste over tree roots plants hedgerows etc.

Wups