Looks a bit complicated on the top

It would nice if there was an exchange system in place for the old 11Kgm bottles which I assume could be retrofitted at the factory and resold?

peedee

 

no idea Pete, but maybe the mechanical gubbins (tech term) for the contents gauge might not be feasible retro fit.

 

Therefore with the introduction of the R67 cylinders as a "response to French legislation that refillable cylinders should be classifieds as tanks and should adhere to standard R67".

Does this mean that the old cylinders do not now comply with current French legislation for LPG in MH?

Just asking

 

I rang Gaslow only last week with a couple of queries which I had, prior to ordering a single 11kg bottle and filling kit. They did not mention that there was now a new type of bottle on the market that had to be fitted in order to comply with the French regulations - if they had then I would have held fire and looked into it.

Kit arrived and awaiting a 70mm cutter before being able to install the system - before our trip to France in 3 weeks!

DavidL

 

Gaslow R67

I would imagine that gauge is a bit difficult to read when the cylinder is in the gas locker and all the pipework is connected :?

Keith (Sprokit)

 

We have encountered no problems with French Regulations so far and Gaslow cylinders and systems are on sale at very many outlets without any negative comments.

I wonder where you would fit the breathalyser onto the kit?

Shame it's only 11kg as that will not go in our locker (unless of course we lay it down......... :lol: ) ( Only joking ! :lol: )

Dave

 

I would imagine that the reason for introducing the new bottle is so that Gaslow can SELL it directly into the French market. I won't be worrying about it. :wink:

 

It'll be interesting to see the lowest price rather than the RRP :lol:

no sign of the Gasit and Hamilton stock yet

 

When I tried to refill my Gaslow in Bourges week before last I was stopped by the cashier, who would not let me continue until I told her that it was Autogas. Luckily, I had fitted an external filler immediately before this trip.
Gerry

 

I had a similar problem in Italy Gerry where it is apparently illegal to use autogas for cooking. Trouble is with more and more motorhome owners fitting Gaslow or similar systems, forecourt attendants are becoming more aware of what we are doing whether we have an external filler or not.

peedee

 

Re: Gaslow R67

I would imagine that gauge is a bit difficult to read when the cylinder is in the gas locker and all the pipework is connected :? Keith (Sprokit)

Hi Keith

It looks very similar to the gauge on the Autogas (aluminium) bottles sold by Chris Wise. If it is the same you can probably get a remote gauge which fits on the dash. They are not very expensive.

It's a tiny LED jobbie and it works extremely well. 8 sequential LEDs which operate only when the ignition is on, so there's no battery drain at all. A quick glance whenever you think about it, and you need never run low on gas again.

Nuke might know if these are available - or in the pipeline.

Dave

 

Here at GAS IT, whilst we have done testing of this new product and we were even party from the start of its development where Ceodeux who make the multivalve wanted the bottle to have 5 bolts to hold it in and Amtrol only wanted it to simply screw in, we won’t be selling these new type of gas bottles that Gaslow are as we will be sticking to our existing ones and we already sell our GAS IT Plus 4 hole bottles that exceed the specifications and working of both types. In fact we have 2 versions of the GAS IT Plus and have done for over 14 years. We have the UK one that complies with the UK and EU regulations for refillable gas bottles and then a E67.01 version ( same bottle and valves exactly but different approval test that's all ) that we only sell outside of the UK for other countries OEM’s that fit them to new installs and need E67-01.

For the every day person in the UK I'd not worry about rushing to change to E67.01 refillable gas bottles as that's only an approval that’s needed if you ( us ) as a company are selling the refillable bottle / gas cylinders in certain countries market purely as a means of creating a loop hole to sell there and get the bottles classified as a gas tank – not a gas bottle.

In fact many current EU motorhome and caravan regulations and codes of practice for using gas bottles don't recognise the E67.01 as a refillable gas bottle requirement and as such you won't allow them to be installed legally in that country ( we’ve learned by that mistake ourselves over the years! )

Its right in the comments some have made on here that E67.01 is an automotive regulation normally but from my own experience and understanding of both the refillable gas bottle market and the automotive gas markets as a factory direct equipment distributor, is this new E67.01 regulation bottle does need is carefully consideration specifically for a British customers, installing in the UK, on thier UK vehicles because i think its fair to point out that the actual requirements to meet the install and mounting needs of a E67.01 gas tank for road going vehicles ( as that's what it is now its classed as having been tested to E67.01 ) is completely different to normal gas bottles and i’m sure that even the vehicles insurance needs for a E67.01 mounted Gas tanks ( as they have to comply with crash mountings requirements, and thus become permanently fixed under constructions and use 1986 requirements ) are completely different to current recognised gas bottle regulations where we get away with easier mounting as a refillable gas bottle is a gas bottle – not a vehicle Gas Tank.

So to clarify, this will have been done by Gaslow to simply to make selling direct to some countries easier by using the new regulation to get around it being classed as a refillable gas bottle and they will now be classed as a refillable automotive gas tank. I will add they have to do the same with thier filling hoses to sell in other countries as the stainless steel fill hoses that you all buy in the UK are one again not a recognise approval in many countries.

One another question that's been asked is about remote gauges. Our GAS IT remote LED contents gauges and also Chris’s from Autogas 2000 will work with these new Gaslow bottles with the new MV sender. You simply need to ask Gaslow if removing the manual gauge and fitting a remote sender invalidates their warranty – it shouldn’t but its up to the warranty owner.

Nick.

 

Our GAS IT remote LED contents gauges and also Chris's from Autogas 2000 will work with these new Gaslow bottles with the new MV sender. You simply need to ask Gaslow if removing the manual gauge and fitting a remote sender invalidates their warranty - it shouldn't but its up to the warranty owner.
Nick.

Thanks Nick

I have one of Chris's underslung tanks with the remote gauge and it works well.

Your info may be very useful to other members wanting the new bottle with the convenience of a remote gauge.

Dave

 

I should have clarified further yesterday that Amtrol don't actually make this new E67.01 Gaslow bottle for them, so this bottle is from a new manufacture and not the same one as both our standard GAS IT and Gaslow's previous bottles, so I suspect that is why Gaslow is now only selling non gauged Amtrol bottles to get rid of their existing stock before they move over to the new type.

To answer the many questions we are getting in the office on this subject, whilst we have E67.01 gas tanks for other countries, we not be selling them in the UK to end-users for sell fitting. We are to continue with both our standard UK and EU approved vapour 2 hole red GAS IT bottles ( identical to Gaslow's but with a gas level gauge on it ) and our vapour 4 hole GAS IT Plus bottles – remote gauge capability, liquid phase separator etc. and we won’t be changing to E67.01 bottles in the UK as that E67.01 regulation on a vapour gas bottle opens a can of worms for all normal users and installers becuase E67.01 is not sufficient for vapour gas bottles in the UK and many countries in Europe. That's simply because that E67.01 regulation makes a gas bottle actually be certified as an Automotive Autogas tank ( not a vapour gas bottle anymore ) so if we did sell E67.01 gas tanks in the UK to end-users, then we’d have to make sure the installer ( you ) follows all the different but existing full UK and EU road going fuel system regulations and codes of practice, like UKLPG CoP 11 regulations which includes simple things like having to make sure the mounting of the E67.01 gas tank is permanent and thus you can no longer just cloth webbing attach them in the vehicle like all gas bottle currently do becuase regulations state a E67.01 gas tank needs to be securely mounted to enable it to pass a 20g and 8 g crash requirements to name just one of the many more issues and needs on the install of E67.01 equipment in a road going vehicle.

Basically E67.01 Autogas tanks even comes under VOSA stops to check mountings, use, dates etc and even the legal Constructions and Use act for Road going vehicles 1986 as its a road fuel carrying container now, where as all current gas bottles both exchange and refillable don’t, plus It will also alter your insurance companies need to know that you have permanently mounted ( to comply with crash regs ) the E67.01 gas tank as its now not a normal approved refillable gas bottle but a automotive gas tank.

one more point, for those few that have experienced filling issues around the world, i’m sure you will still have the same issues of filling this bottle as you did any other because no matter what the E67.01 approval in France or Europe is for - gas bottle looks like a gas bottle.

Just make sure you get a copy of all required regulations needed from the company you buy these E67.01 bottle from when fitting so you follow them and make them legal to use them on the road as simply strapping in, in place of your exisiting bottles and piping up won’t cut the mustard anymore.

Nick

 

Having had a read through this thread regards R67/01.

As Nick has pointed out there are issues regarding R67/01 , bottle verses tank for example but to add just one point that may help further.

R67/01 is a requirement for automotive, this we already have read on the above posts. If a vehicle is to be registered in France then the French ministry of transport have to do an inspection on the entire vehicle including the gas system. If the gas bottle is not stamped R6701 then they don’t like it and will reject the gas bottle. So people wishing to register vehicles in France and wanting a French number plate etc will require either to remove the bottle before inspection if it does not have the R6701 stamping or fit a bottle with R6701 stamping to satisfy this inspection.

This also happened a few years ago with gas tanks as the some of the early vapour tanks did not have R6701 stamped to them so this was later corrected from manufacture to satisfy any future inspections.

It seems its only the French that are really pedantic about this as other countries accept TUV, Pi, CE as accepted approvals all of which we have stamped on our three hole Alugas cylinder that we sell here at Autogas 2000 Leisure.

Regards all

Chris

 

Can anyone tell me the part number of the flexible that connects the new R67 bottle to the regulator or will the old style one still fit the bottle connection, haven't got to the van yet, but the connector seems different to me , but I haven't seen the end of the old one for years (lol). Thanks arh

 

Good evening arh,

The connections are the same as those used on the previous cylinder so the pigtail required is the same which features the W20 connection to the regulator and the 21.8LH connection to the cylinder on the pigtail.

The Gaslow part number for rubber is 0.45m is 01-6010 and for stainless steel 01-6010SS

Regards,
Chris

 

Thanks for that Premier, saves going to have a look. Now ordering one, new bottle deserves a new flexible

 

R67

Presumably this new regulation applies to newly purchased and fitted bottles and those of us with existing Gaslow bottles will not be required to change them for new ones. Anyone know?

 

Presumably this new regulation applies to newly purchased and fitted bottles and those of us with existing Gaslow bottles will not be required to change them for new ones. Anyone know?

What new regulation?

Cheers

Dave

 

The R67 LPG bottle has the safety cut out built in. The French vans have the secumotion system for safety and the new bottles meet that requirement.
I travel with one cylinder off and the R67 left on.

cabby